taxman Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Alright, I got the orange label out and the blue label in. I first tried the naphtha. That did absolutley nothing. So I went with water, a brush, and some patience. I quickly saw that saving the original orange label was not going to happen. What's left of it is in picture #3. All I did was use a brush and some warm water and soaked the orange label. Got a finger in there and rubbed the label off the guitar (picture #2). I used naphtha to get any stubborn glue spots after the label was off. Came out very, very clean (picture #3) and picture #4 is the final result. picture #1 picture #2 picture #3 picture #4 The blue label application was a pain in the neck. Ultimately, though, I am very happy with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 Here are my two Lennon Casinos. The Natural is an Inspired By. The burst is a Standard that I Lennonized. Just need a two-screw truss rod cover for both and I am finished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Glad to see you finally got it worked out TM, shame about the old orange one, but I don't think that really matters that much, they make a wonderful couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 26, 2011 Share Posted July 26, 2011 Very nice, glad it all worked out. I'm thinking I need a natural Lennon to go with my IBJL sunburst now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 I'm thinking I need a natural Lennon to go with my IBJL sunburst now. Yes, you do need one. The price is right on these Casinos...so what the heck? Have to say I enjoy playing the natural more than my burst. Reason why is the finish on the natural Inspired By attracts no fingerprints, smudges, or scratches. Just pick up and play. It's liberating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieman15061 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 So am I the only one that finds it inherently wrong to change manufactures label in an attempt to pass of a guitar as something it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 So am I the only one that finds it inherently wrong to change manufactures label in an attempt to pass of a guitar as something it's not. As long as the owner is honest enough to say it's a mod and not original, which is clearly the case here,I really don't see a problem. People buy standard model cars all the time and add after-market goodies to make them appear to be a more prestigious or sporty model, much the same thing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 So am I the only one that finds it inherently wrong to change manufactures label in an attempt to pass of a guitar as something it's not. No. I think everyone would agree that doing anything to pass something off as something it's not is very wrong. However, that's not the case here because the owner has stated he's modifying the guitar to resemble John Lennon's. He's not apssing it off as an IB or USA Assembled Casino he's saying it's a Standard modified with some of the JL appointments. The term "passing off" infers there's something sinister going on. There's nothing sinister in modifying your own guitar. He's been clear and honest from the start and I'm sure if he ever had to sell the guitar he would explain exactly what it is and not try to deceive people that it's something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyGibson Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 He's having fun and no one got injured in the process. But, taking that sticker off sure did look painful. That looks worse than changing spark plugs and the cuts on the knuckles that go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 So am I the only one that finds it inherently wrong to change manufactures label in an attempt to pass of a guitar as something it's not. Hey, dude, I'm passing the guitar off as something it is not TO MYSELF! I ain't selling it. I simply modded a guitar into something I like to look at. You never modded a guitar? Check out this guitar I modded. My God, if you think just putting a blue label into a guitar is wrong, you would have me executed for doing this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Check out this guitar I modded. My God, if you think just putting a blue label into a guitar is wrong, you would have me executed for doing this: Hey man, cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 While Gibson may not smile on the availablity of after-market blue labels, I see no real harm in using them. The guit is not being presented for sale or as something it's not, so no one's getting cheated or fooled. If someone presented taxman's Casino to me as a vintage guitar, it would be hard to miss the poly finish. Any Epi afficianado or reasonably astute sales clerk would be able to spot the differences without even taking it out of the case. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 If someone presented taxman's Casino to me as a vintage guitar, it would be hard to miss the poly finish. Damn! The poly finish ruins everything. I was going to sell that Casino to Yoko and claim it is really John's. Fortunatley, I have a back up plan. You know Paul's Hofner bass that was stolen in 1969 and never heard of again? Well, I have it. See the tea cup knobs and cream colored switches? This is Paul's original Beatle bass. Man, this one will earn me a fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Damn! The poly finish ruins everything. I was going to sell that Casino to Yoko and claim it is really John's. Fortunatley, I have a back up plan. You know Paul's Hofner bass that was stolen in 1969 and never heard of again? Well, I have it. See the tea cup knobs and cream colored switches? This is Paul's original Beatle bass. Man, this one will earn me a fortune. Hofner have been trying to sue Macca for these mods for decades: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 I've also just noticed that the labels on the 1965 Casinos have the E logo in the top right corner but the IBJL put them the other way so that the E logo is in the bottom left as you look at it. Just about to put my label in my blonde sanded Casino! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Put my blue label in tonight on my Natural Casino. Here are the results taken on a crappy iphone: Blue Label with John's serial number Label In! My two stripped guitars. Still need to get a 2 screw TRC and install Eric's washers but they're in my guitar box with all our gear so will have to wait until tomorrow. Other mods: Corian Nut, New Tuneomatic Bridge with Nylon Saddles, Gold Grovers, Black Knob, Pickguard removed and screws left in and a Custom "rooftop" style strap. I'm going to put the Corian Nut and Nylon Saddles on my Sunburst next time it goes in for a set up and then eventually I'm going to upgrade the electronics. I know that for the money I've spent I could have bought IBJLs but I started these projects before they were even announced and I quite like the fun of it anyway. I plan to buy the IBJL next year and eventually the 1965s as well but since I've already bought myself two guitars this year with a 325 on the way and a J160e in the pipeline they're gonna have to wait! I love all these tiny details. If only somebody would do a silkscreened recreation of the 2 hole TRC... They'd sell a lot. Especially if they gave you the choice of choosing the hole spacing to cover all reissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 My two stripped guitars... Excellent guitars, John....err, clarkuss. Two beauties. I like that you even went the extra mile with the knobs on the Casino. Now get yourself an Ovation, John played one of them, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Haha! A few of my favourite musicians have played Ovations but I don't think I could ever bring myself to own one. Don't like the bodies. Apart from the ones I've mentioned I'm tempted by a "fool" J-160e style guitar and a modded LP Jr in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Haha! A few of my favourite musicians have played Ovations but I don't think I could ever bring myself to own one. Don't like the bodies. For me those god awful headstocks are enough to deter me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 Shame on both of you. How dare you say anything nasty about my Ovation? Alright, I admit, Ovations certainly are not everyone's cup of tea; but I was young, everyone on MTV was playing one, so I bought mine. Really no regrets, although it is a little too bassy for my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm tempted by a "fool" J-160e style guitar and a modded LP Jr in 2012. Whoa, that Fool one is way out there. You really have to have great confidence to play that in front of anyone. The LP Jr definitely is a cool John guitar. Me, I am waiting for a Framus 12 string to be reissued. That would be my next John guitar. Or a 325, but Ric really overpriced them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Whoa, that Fool one is way out there. You really have to have great confidence to play that in front of anyone. The LP Jr definitely is a cool John guitar. Me, I am waiting for a Framus 12 string to be reissued. That would be my next John guitar. Or a 325, but Ric really overpriced them. I know someone on here did a great LP Jr mod. Maybe Charlie Brown? The Rickenbackers are extortionate. I would never buy a brand new Ric but over the next 5 years I'm planning on collecting all of John's Beatle guitars bar one or two I'm not too bothered about like the Gretsch 6120 that he used in 66. I like the fool J-160e with the pick up moved. Nice quirky little guitar. Would only get played for special psychedlic sets. I'm always on the look out for a Hootenanny. They're cool little guitars. You should have a look at this: Framus Hootenanny Build The guy will make them from scratch as well but they're a bit pricey. Here's another one he made: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share Posted July 28, 2011 So you are going to collect most of John's guitars? I think we as fans and consumers are lucky that John's guitar he loved best is actually quite affordable. Epiphone has done everything right with their Casino model. Regarding the Hootenanny: I just don't understand why Framus doesn't do a re-issue of that guitar. One can get one of those absurd Futurama guitars that George played for a minute and a half, but the Hootenanny - a guitar whose fantastic sound is on many Beatle tracks and a guitar that was seen prominently in a Beatle movie - can not be bought. Framus is way behind on this. Hofner, Ric, Vox, Epi, Gretsch, Ludwig, Gibson, and even Futurama have used good business sense, what is Framus waiting for? That 12 string Framus would sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I know someone on here did a great LP Jr mod. Maybe Charlie Brown? It was Duane V, see post #17 in this thread: http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/14894-jl-les-paul-jr-mod-completed-with-demo-sound-clip/page__p__185084__hl__lennon__fromsearch__1&do=findComment&comment=185084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 So am I the only one that finds it inherently wrong to change manufactures label in an attempt to pass of a guitar as something it's not. I'm a huge fan of collector car auctions and watch as many as I can. Lately, there's been an increase in replica cars, cars like Shelby Mustangs, GTO Judges, Yenko Camaros, Porsche 911 RSs. etc. They start out as the pedestrian version that the original was also based on and then parts and badging are added to "replicate" the highly collectable and extremely expensive car. Replicas are an affordable way for people to own that car they've always wanted, without selling their left nut (OR BOTH). These cars are accepted by the collctor car community as long as they are clearly described at such and are beginning to fetch some pretty hefty prices, if done right. I see no difference in what's being done here, with the Casinos. It pays homage to a desirable guitar but at an affordable price. The more correct detailing, the better, as it is with cars. So as long as they are presented as replicas or clones, I'm all for it. The buyer needs to be aware that these exist and do his homework to make sure some scam artist isn't selling them as the real deal. A little knowledge and a sharp eye will cull out the fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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