JuanCarlosVejar Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Check out Johnny's Original then Joaquin's and see the differences : Johnny's had four MOP bars , Joaquin's only 2 , and the truss rod cover on Joaquin's is upside down I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Must admit its kinds odd seeing JC without a Martin strapped around his back .. btw: that pickguard looks horrendous in my little opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 . Hmmm . . . . Curious. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G McBride Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Looks like Batman had some influence on that pick guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Wow, as though the SG looking like the batsign wasn't enough..... I actually think I hate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Nice catch Juan. JP's Gibson does have an upside down TRC! I've seen some done this way before. Probably intentional. Personally I've wondered that since turning the 'bell' upside down looks more like a tulip, is this the designer's original, intended configuration to go along with the tulip tuners? The guard is quite unique. But the one that is worse is Elvis's populuxe inspired signature guitar: I call this one the 'Jet Screamer' guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Just curious, is this J300? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 JP's Gibson does have an upside down TRC! I've seen some done this way before. Probably intentional. Personally I've wondered that since turning the 'bell' upside down looks more like a tulip, is this the designer's original, intended configuration to go along with the tulip tuners? Sad to say, but I've spent a fair amount of time wondering about this since seeing photos of Rev. Gary Davis's '59 J-200, which apparently spent most of its life with the truss rod cover inverted. I've come up with two guesses why someone might do this. First, to make it easier to get the strap end around the peghead under the strings. With some straps, this could even make the difference between the strings seating properly in the nut slots and not. Second, to make it possible to adjust the truss rod by removing the top screw and slightly loosening the bottom one, then rotating the cover out of the way. Any other ideas out there? -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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E-minor7 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Any other ideas out there? Your idea of the possibility to just loosen one screw and open to the t.r.is good. I wouldn't out-count another facet. The fact that the bell cover basically has the same shape as the head itself and thus somehow 'goes opposite'. Try to study some Guilds and you'll find the other aesthetic. Things like that are funny. We get used to certain ways and consider them absolutely right – nothing else will do. Until circumstances slowly teach us to accept the case the other way around. I've met people who find the upper-belly bridge clumsy and plain wrong, and thought : What do they know, , , then remembering how I had a strange time getting used to them myself. Not to mention the embarrassing reality that I couldn't imagine a female saxophonist when I was 16. Btw. apart from the autograph, I kinda like the bat-guitar. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 :D I'd Like to know where the feck is that guitar now , is it in Joaquin's Posession or elsewhere XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Isn't this Joaquin the person who lost himself in The Swamp of Weird. Maybe he got a bad case of bat-rabies. Think you better be careful with that axe JCarlosV - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Cash had 2 J200s in the 50's. One had a reddish sunburst and the other more a golden burst (to my eyes). The golden burst was stolen. Don't know if they ever recovered it. That particular guitar is believed to be the one he used on the original version of I Walk the Line when people thought he'd added a drummer to The Tennesee Two, but instead he was simply muting the strings and it sounded like a snare drum. It is a pretty cool sound. Listen close and you can sometimes catch a single muted string before the raspy sound of the other five.........These were the guitars Cash used in almost all of the Sun recordings before 1960-61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Cash had 2 J200s in the 50's. One had a reddish sunburst and the other more a golden burst (to my eyes). The golden burst was stolen. Don't know if they ever recovered it. That particular guitar is believed to be the one he used on the original version of I Walk the Line when people thought he'd added a drummer to The Tennesee Two, but instead he was simply muting the strings and it sounded like a snare drum. It is a pretty cool sound. Listen close and you can sometimes catch a single muted string before the raspy sound of the other five.........These were the guitars Cash used in almost all of the Sun recordings before 1960-61. Hey MissouriPicker so you are saying that Mr.Cash thought that the Gibsons sounded better than the Martins for studio work ? because in almost all the live footage I've seen he used martin's or maybe in his later years a Guild or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modoc_333 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Second, to make it possible to adjust the truss rod by removing the top screw and slightly loosening the bottom one, then rotating the cover out of the way. Any other ideas out there? -- Bob R this is already possible on most Gibsons. Certainly the ones with large headstocks (thus spreading the tuning keys further from the TRC.) you just take out the bottom one, and loosen the top. i do it all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Juan, I have no idea on what Cash thought was the best studio guitar. He used Gibsons alot(along with some Martins) through the mid 50's to around 61 or so when got a big contract with Martin and that's where he headed. Marty Stuart said something in an interview about Cash usually playing Gibsons until the early 60's...usually, not always............Later on, he also played some Fenders, Guilds, Gibsons. But Martins were his main guitars after the early 60's. These might be of interest to you........enjoy. To me there's a real energy in these early recordings. There's a realness to them that doesn't seem to exist today. Maybe it's the rawness of the talent and technology. Whatever it is, I find it really cool. There's a bunch of these files (I guess of Cash's Gibson era...lol) out there, but this format only allows a couple at-a-time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqjD8uzBUhA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 and here's a Guild, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Years ago on Johnny Cash's website, administrated by his family I suspect, I remember reading about Johnny's guitars. Seems he didn't have brand loyalty. He just played what sounded good. After June and Johnny's deaths, their son John Carter Cash was named Executor. At one point he sold off some, but not all, of Johnny and June's guitars. It would be interesting to find out what they had for guitars when they parted from this life. I have not seen a listing, but I do know they included Gibsons, Martins and Guilds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotTheSilver Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Anybody notice the fretboard extension is shaped differently on these two guitars? Cash's guitar has a curly end, whereas Phoenix's guitar has a straight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Good eye on the FB extension! Didj'all notice the picture of JP on the steps has a Martin in the background. Didj'all also remember that it wasn't the Gibson, but rather the Martin what JP bashed up in the green room? During that scene I remember saying to myself or anyone within a couple seats, "NO! NOT THE GUITAR! " I said something similar when sister June started flinging beer bottles at the boys who had been drinking all night before the upcoming show. "You can't walk the line! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rar Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 this is already possible on most Gibsons. Certainly the ones with large headstocks (thus spreading the tuning keys further from the TRC.) you just take out the bottom one, and loosen the top. i do it all the time! When I've tried this, the nut getting in the way (on guitars with a small-to-non-existent gap between the truss rod cover and the nut) can also keep it from working. Plus, based on my experience, dropping the bottom screw when removing it is about ten times more likely than dropping the top screw -- but I expect people who are coordinated don't have this problem. -- Bob R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchabalk Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Also, the pickguard on johnny cash's guitar is cut about 1/2 an inch around the sound hole. On the JP guitar it goes right to the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Do you suppose the JP guitar was a one off? Did/Do Gibson market it with or without the signature as a 're-issue'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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