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Perusing eBay this morning and came across this. What caught me eye was the asking price. A VS Casino with a Bigsby and case for $1150? The description talks about it's pedigree and tries to explain it's value, but I just don't see it. The phrase saying "The back of the headstock indicates this is a limited run custom shop guitar." means nothing to me. I see a used-stamped headstock, like a factory second. Is this being made into something it isn't? Or, is it genuine and if so, worth the asking price, because of it's rarity. I can't believe it would be a player at the level of say, an Elitist.

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epiphone-Casino-Ltd-Edition-Bigsby-RARE-/230663412811?pt=Guitar&hash=item35b49c5c4b

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I believe this rarity of this guitar is based on the unusual stamp making it a limited edition rather than how playable it is.

 

Sort of like how a misprinted stamp is rare.

 

 

What is the indication that it is a limited edition? The only stamp I see says "USED".

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The description talks about it's pedigree and tries to explain it's value, but I just don't see it.

The only thing that separates this guitar from a typical Saein or Peerless Casino from '06 is the Bigsby. Casinos stamped 'used' or '2nd' were often sold for about $499, rather than the typical asking price of $599 (of course, add some back for the Bigsby). Imho, this Korean Casino is seriously overpriced, being in the same ballpark as a used Elitist.

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Last time I checked, a guitar stamped "used" was a guitar that was returned to the factory with an issue to be fixed and then put back on the market.

Generally, that meant that the guitar would be cheaper.

If I'm wrong, please do correct me.

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Definitely WAY overpriced, in his dreams! Not even close to being in the league of an Elitist. It is stamped USED and part of the serial number has been removed. And yeah, the USED stamp means that is was returned to the factory for something and resold at a discounted priced. Now there are some fine guitars that are stamped USED. I have one, the Dot in my avatar. I got it for $250 from MF. This guy is way out of line. Why does he show the back of the case instead of the front? Maybe not an issue, just wondering.

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The reason I copied and posted one of the lines from his description was that he says that it is a limited run, custom shop guitar. But the picture of the back of the headstock shows only the used stamp and half obliterated serial number. Haven't I read somewhere in past posts, that Epiphone doesn't have a Custom Shop? My take on this is that either this guy paid a lot for this guitar and is trying to recoup his money, or he's banking on somebody thinking that it's something very special and he'll make a little. Granted, I know more about Rics than Epiphones, but that's why I posted this, so that those more kowlegable than me can have a crack at it.For that kind of coin, I'd get a used Elitist.

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Could you clarify?

 

Pete may beat me to the punch here!

 

When you originally buy a guitar from a dealer, they give you the chance

to "whet your appetite again" by offering a second guitar - Factory seconds,

a SECOND helping.... MMMmmmmmmmm!!!!!!

 

Now, the REAL answer - When a git is returned to the manufacturer for repairs

due to problems, the ORIGINAL serial number is "removed" by the factory to prevent

future warranty claims/insurance claims as the git is CLEARLY stamped "USED", and no

stamped serial number is there for claim reference.

"USED" immediately indicates it was repaired at factory due to issues, and as Pete shows

in the next post (I read Minds...) a sticker is sometimes placed on headstock.

 

Some places also substitute the phrase "B-Stock".

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factorysecond.png

 

that is how they usually look like.....

 

serial# always are starting with 311....

 

[thumbup] And as your picture shows, after factory repair, the

backs of the Tuners have a permanent image of someone's legs on them Forever..... [flapper]

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Now, there is something I would have NEVER thought to be the case. I have never heard of it (with any maker).

 

That is one piece of information that will stick with me for quite a while.

 

I can understand additional markings added, even NEW serial#s added by builders, but never a builder that would deface a serial#.

 

To be able to know the things you guys do about guitars made in so many factories from China is truly baffling. Hats off to you. I am impressed.

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I was wrong in my other post. My Dot is stamped 2ND not USED. I haven't had it out for a while and I never look at the back of the headstock. The serial number is not altered on mine. Mine came with a warranty, USED guitars do not. It really didn't matter though, because as soon a I got it I modded it and the warranty was out the window.

 

2ndSerialNumber.jpg

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What is the indication that it is a limited edition? The only stamp I see says "USED".

 

That would be the reason.

Coming across one of these guitars which has gone back due to some problems and had the changes made on the back of the headstock as an indication is not common to come across.

 

Which makes it rare in comparison to one which does not technically making it limited.

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