Interesting Read Regarding Gibson Raids

[DMichaelG]

Stein... Yupper... We've met the enemy and he is us.

 

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Pogo...Walt Kelly...right? Great cartoon strip. It would still be relevant today.

m, A clear simple distillation of your earlier thesis...

[milod]

Dmichael...

 

Yupper on Pogo.

 

BTW, I was born in Vermont in 1842. Washington, VT, to be exact. If you had my full name I've a hunch the records would show it. <grin> Grandpa DanielD had a Vermont militia captaincy in the same time period as Lewis and Clark made their expedition west.

 

I left home to head west while in my mid teens.

 

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[Searcy]

Dmichael...

 

Yupper on Pogo.

 

BTW, I was born in Vermont in 1842. Washington, VT, to be exact. If you had my full name I've a hunch the records would show it. <grin> Grandpa DanielD had a Vermont militia captaincy in the same time period as Lewis and Clark made their expedition west.

 

I left home to head west while in my mid teens.

 

m

 

So.... you're 169 years old? Now I know why you're so wise.

[DMichaelG]

So.... you're 169 years old? Now I know why you're so wise.

 

I've noticed that. milod does have some insight and perspective. Most members here have.

Age brings wisdom if your mind is open.

[Searcy]

99% of the time when milod says something I think "I wish I had said that..."

[DMichaelG]

99% of the time when milod says something I think "I wish I had said that..."

 

+1, Searcy, +1.

[damian]

Since I study law anyways, I thought I'd read the actual Lacey Act and it's amendments...Interesting reading.......

[milod]

Actually the first to carry my full name was born in 1842. <grin> I'm the fourth in line and have used great grampa's birthdate and military enlistment date for doing living history presentations.

 

I actually was born a few months after Clapton while WWII was still playing. First rock band the fall of '62. It's almost terrifying that I was doing rock for dances nearly 50 years ago. Heck, I'm still really 35... or... <grin>

 

BTW, as for the left and conspiracies... it seems to me at times we're seeing Trotsky's concept of permanent revolution.

 

m

[zigzag]

These may have been posted before, but I haven't seen them. These are the best explanations I've seen for both raids on Gibson:

 

http://www.eia-global.org/News/Update_GibsonRaid.html

 

http://www.rainforest-alliance.org/forestry/gibson-usfws

 

Washington, D.C. -- On 24 August 2011, agents of the Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) raided Gibson Guitar facilities in Nashville and Memphis, Tennessee, seizing ebony and rosewood material, guitars and guitar parts as evidence of suspected violation(s) of the U.S. Lacey Act. The Lacey Act is a long-standing anti-trafficking statute which prohibits commerce of illegally-sourced wildlife, plants and wood products from either the U.S. or other countries.

 

The government has not yet released a statement to the public on the case, but the affidavit filed to obtain the search warrants has been unsealed and is circulating (ref: “Affidavit in Support of Search Warrant #11-MJ-1067 A,B,C,D”). The facts referred to below are based on information contained in this affidavit. The Environmental Investigation Agency urges the FWS to issue further statements in order to help calm the confusion and concern generated among many companies and individuals in the musical instruments industry, other businesses and the media.

 

The Lacey Act violation in question concerns Gibson’s import of pieces of rosewood and ebony that the government alleges to have been falsely declared both during export from India and during import to the U.S. The sawnwood in question had been exported from India under an incorrect tariff code (HS 9209), allegedly to avoid the Indian government’s prohibition on export of sawnwood products (HS 4407); and had been declared upon import as veneer (HS 4408). The affidavit states that this description “fraudulently presents as a shipment that would be legal to export from India, and, in turn, would not be a violation of the Lacey Act.” According to the affidavit, discrepancies among the paperwork accompanying the shipment suggest that the recipients knew they were purchasing sawnwood. The affidavit describes eleven shipments of Indian ebony and rosewood imported in this manner over the past two years, despite what appears to be a publicly available Indian law prohibiting it. The facts in the affidavit appear to have been sufficient for a judge to approve search warrants on probable cause.

 

EIA trusts that the current case will receive due process through the U.S. justice system. It is important to be clear, in general terms, that the Lacey Act is a U.S. law that reinforces and supports the laws of other countries concerning the sourcing, harvest and trade of wildlife, plants and wood products. It is common for countries to have bans and restrictions on export of logs or sawnwood; these laws are directly linked to forest management and protection efforts. They are often an important tool to help control export flows of illegally logged timber, and to ensure that the benefits of value-added processing contribute to development within these often poor countries.

 

The Lacey Act’s intent is to support the rule of law through mutual respect, and to ensure that American businesses and consumers are not contributing to illegal activity or environmental harm in our own country or overseas. The law also helps ensure that U.S. producers are operating on a level playing field and not being undersold by illegal supply, which has been estimated to cost U.S. industry $1 billion annually. Like many new procedures, these measures may create confusion and even fear in the short term, as companies adapt their practices and mindset. However, media messages that promote this fear do businesses and people a disservice. There is no indication that the government has interest in professional or amateur musicians, whether or not their instruments contain Indian or Malagasy precious woods. The FWS has always stated its intent to investigate and shut down networks of illegal smuggling and trade, not individuals.

 

Laws like Lacey are necessary security measures for the protection of the world’ forests, and this adjustment process is part of creating a “new normal” that will prevent the trees so important to musical instrument makers and other wood industries from disappearing. Ebony and rosewood species, for example, are overharvested and threatened throughout most of their global range. However, it is possible to source them legally. No music maker wants his or her instruments to be produced in a manner that is bad for forests, wildlife or people, or that may well preclude future generations from enjoying the same joy and quality.

 

Why was Gibson raided in 2009?

Madagascar’s national parks, full of wildlife and trees found nowhere else on earth, have been invaded over the past few years by illegal loggers seeking rosewood and ebony. A network of corrupt timber barons controls this trade in Madagascar; the wood is sold onwards to Europe, China and the United States. A researcher at the Missouri Botanical Gardens described Madagascar precious woods to the Wall Street Journal as “the equivalent of Africa’s blood diamonds.” Gibson was raided in 2009 in connection with its import of ebony from Madagascar, in violation of bans on this species’ export.

 

The case is currently in civil proceedings and the Department of Justice has stated publicly that it expects to file criminal charges, although no charges have been filed yet. Information released in affidavits and motions over the past year include excerpts from internal emails indicating that Gibson decided to buy illegal wood knowing the risks involved.

 

In the current civil case, in the District Court of Tennessee, Gibson asserts that the wood seized in 2009 was legally exported under Madagascar law and no law has been violated. The government asserts that the seized Madagascar ebony wood is property illegal to possess, “both because it was unfinished wood and because Claimants’ source for ebony in Madagascar was not authorized to sell it.” The June 4th filing in the current civil case, states that:

“Gibson sourced its unfinished ebony wood in the form of blanks (for use in the manufacture of fingerboards for Gibson guitars) from Nagel (in Germany), which obtained it exclusively from Roger Thunam (a supplier in Madagascar). Madagascar prohibits the harvest of ebony wood as well as the exportation of unfinished ebony wood.”

 

The filing also refers to internal Gibson emails:

“[A] Gibson employee…wrote that ‘[t]he true Ebony species preferred by Gibson Musical Instruments is found only in Madagascar (Diospyros perrieri). This is a slow-growing tree species with very little conservation protection and supplies are considered to be highly threatened in its native environment due to over exploitation.’ In fact, [he] ‘spent two and a half weeks in Madagascar this June [2008],’ writing on his return, ‘I represented our company along with two other guitar manufacturers.... All legal timber and wood exports are prohibited because of wide spread corruption and theft of valuable woods like rosewood and ebony.’ (Emphasis added.)”

“On February 25, 2009, in a reference to the potential long term solution, [he] wrote…that the company Maderas Barber ‘has been in the business a long time and may be able to help begin some legitimate harvests. Mr. [Roger] Thunam on the other hand should now be able to supply Nagel with all the rosewood and ebony for the grey market.’” (Emphasis added.)

 

The procedures of the U.S. judicial system give defendants and the government both ample opportunities to make their arguments and ensure all information is brought to light. New developments in this case are expected soon.

[zigzag]

http://understory.ran.org/2011/09/08/gibson-guitars-is-playing-politics-to-the-detriment-of-jobs-and-forests/

[stein]

http://understory.ran.org/2011/09/08/gibson-guitars-is-playing-politics-to-the-detriment-of-jobs-and-forests/

Ironic that this article that accuses Gibson of "twisting the facts" is an article that in fact, seriously twist the facts.

 

To even go so far as to misquote. That is just bad taste and too obvious. Even when the ENQUIRER makes up stories, they don't go that far.

[zigzag]

Ironic that this article that accuses Gibson of "twisting the facts" is an article that in fact, seriously twist the facts.

 

To even go so far as to misquote. That is just bad taste and too obvious. Even when the ENQUIRER makes up stories, they don't go that far.

 

Can you be more specific about what facts are being twisted and what the misquotes are?

[stein]

Can you be more specific about what facts are being twisted and what the misquotes are?

In the paragraph outlining THE SPIN, there is a quote "This would be legal if...." as a quote coming from Henry. In reality, Henry is telling what someone told him, or rather relating information that he was told by others.

 

In other words, you do not put in quotes a statement or sentence by someone quoting another and attribute the quote to the person quoting another.

[zigzag]

In the paragraph outlining THE SPIN, there is a quote "This would be legal if...." as a quote coming from Henry.

 

Agreed- poor journalism. The article actually says: "...statements like 'This would have been legal if...' " But overall, I believe these articles accurately report the government's case against Gibson, and do it in a way that I've not seen anywhere else.