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I'd say Sheraton as Noel uses (mainly) humbucker equipped guitars live. The valensi has p94 pickups.

 

If you are after the early oasis sound get an epi les Paul as Noel says he used one fitted with Gibson pickups on the first album. Live he used a Japanese made early 80's riviera with stop tailpiece. I had one of these and with volume and tone on 10 through a Marshall amp it nailed that live sound.

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I'd say Sheraton as Noel uses (mainly) humbucker equipped guitars live. The valensi has p94 pickups.

 

If you are after the early oasis sound get an epi les Paul as Noel says he used one fitted with Gibson pickups on the first album.

 

He also had a 1960 Gibson Les Paul that Johnny Marr gave to him. It's the one on tracks like "Slide Away".

 

I'll also say Sheraton.

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I'm old and never heard Oasis <grin>, but never forget that the guitar is only a part of the creation of any given sound. Effects and amp - even the live venue - are as much or more part of an overall sound for a rock gig as the guitar itself, at least within bounds... Strings are not unimportant either and technique can entirely change "sound" even with a given guitar/effect/amp rig.

 

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Out of those two, you'd definitely want the Sherry for Oasis sounds. That being said, Noel changed his gear around quite a bit so a lot of it would really depend on what kind of amp and effects you are using also. For the early Definitely Maybe stuff, it was usually an LP plugged in to a solid state Marshall that was run through a Vox AC-30 with a few pedals. I know he used a Boss Space Echo pedal early on and then started using a Tubescreamer, a wah-wah, a Boss Digital Delay and so on. Fast forward to the later days of the band and his set up was just mental like this for example... [scared]

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I wouldn't know what to do with all that stuff, still if I had the Money I would try all the stuff I can get my hands on… a mate of mine knew a guy who had engineerd for Oasis on a gig or something. Anyway Noel he has around 1500 guitars and has a dude employed to play them since he doesn't have the time. Sick.

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I'm probably going to get ripped for this one again... But...

 

Whilst everyone is right, that you ideally need humbuckers to get that Oasis sound, you may not be happy with the stock PUP's of the Sheraton II. It naturally depends on what you want, but IMO you really get to know the limitations of the Epi-Humbuckers when you're trying to balance with other musicians/instruments. Especially if you do outdoor gigs! Not everyone swaps the PUP's on their Sheratons, but very, very many do!

 

Noel's iconic Union-Jack Sheraton at the Maine-Road concerts was a 60's Sheraton I, with Frequensator-tailpiece and mini-humbuckers as standard. That's actually much closer to a 70's Riviera than an actual Sheraton II.

 

So, if you can find a 60's Sheraton I or a 70's Riviera, and you can afford them, then Robert is your mother's brother!! Failing that, and bearing in mind that you "may" very well end up changing them anyway, I wouldn't necessarily decide between the Valensi Riviera and Sheraton II just on basis of Pickups. (AFAIK the P94's on the Riviera have the same dimension as humbuckers).

 

I don't know when Epiphone stopped making Rivieras with humbuckers... Anyone? Maybe an older, secondhand Riviera is another option?

 

 

P.S: @ damian, I know people who know Paul Gallagher. A lovely bloke, apparently, who no-one has a bad word against, certainly not his brothers. I don't understand what you mean, "you'll never sound like Oasis without having a brother you hate"? ;)

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My idea was to buy a guitar equipped with humbuckers, but I played a valensi riviera last week and was amazed at the finish and comfort to play. So my question is if there is any humbucker equipped guitar that has that same quality that nick valensi riviera??

 

I've never played one personally, but I've heard people say that the Valensi is about as close to an "Elitist quality" Epi as you can get, in terms of quality, without paying the big price tag.

 

These models below are due out later this year and each will be the exact same price as the Valensi. I don't know what the quality is because they haven't come out yet, but they look nice and I want 'em.

 

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you may not be happy with the stock PUP's of the Sheraton II. It naturally depends on what you want, but IMO you really get to know the limitations of the Epi-Humbuckers when you're trying to balance with other musicians/instruments. Especially if you do outdoor gigs! Not everyone swaps the PUP's on their Sheratons, but very, very many do!

 

+1. I've got a bunch of Epi's and upgraded the PU's on all of them. I think their P-90's aren't bad, but then single coils are easier to make. The biggest difference is with HB's. You get much more clarity and definition with American or European-made HB's; of course they cost more, but if you buy them used online, they're usually around half price. I put a couple Duncan's in my Sheraton: a Custom 8 (Custom with an alnico 8 magnet) and a '59N. Great pair for mahogany and semi-hollows (I have this pair in a Epi LP Std too).

 

I just got a used Epi '58 V. Plugged it in and wow, it sounded great. Surprisingly so. Very clear and articulate. When I changed strings I lifted up the PU's; they were DiMarzios. I've never played an Epi with stock PU's that sounded like that. Definitely worth the upgrade.

 

A tip if you're going to keep the stock PU's: Get rid of that wax. It just muffles the tone; there's no need for it. I've swapped magnets in dozens of models of American-made PU's, and they have very little wax in them. Just a couple drops. For Epi HB's, I scrap out all the wax I possibly can. Once you're in there, you may want to beef up the bridge PU with an A8 magnet, which adds output and mids, and shaves off the worst of the treble. It'll get you by until you can afford a PU upgrade.

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A tip if you're going to keep the stock PU's: Get rid of that wax.

 

+1. I agree with you, but I'm not too sure it's easily done? I tried this with the original Epiphone HB's I had taken out of my Sheraton. They were potted up to the hilt!!! Far too much for PU's that weak! There was so much wax I couldn't even get the covers off and ended up f***ing up pretty bad... Short of a complete rebuild/rewind those PU's were done for! :-({|=

 

I wasn't too bothered as I didn't need them anymore (and you won't get much for used Epi-humbuckers on ebay), but I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone else!

 

Any tips how to scrape out the wax without damaging? It would interest me to know where I went wrong? Although I doubt I'll ever dare try again...

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I've never played one personally, but I've heard people say that the Valensi is about as close to an "Elitist quality" Epi as you can get, in terms of quality, without paying the big price tag.

I have a Korean Valensi and Elitist Casino, and would say this is mostly true, but there's still a little bit of a gap. The poly finish is somewhat thicker on the Valensi, and the F holes are not as nicely finished off as on the Elitist, but overall the build quality is very tight. It sports a fast one piece mahogany neck, the frequensator tailpiece adds a relatively unique touch, and the finish has a rich golden hue with the front & back having a significant amount of birdseye on mine. Pretty darn sweet for the money, and then consider those fabulous P94 pickups (which you'd be crazy to ever change out!) as the crowning touch. Valensi or Sheraton? I'd recommend the OP revisit the Valensi & seriously assess it's tonal characteristics, especially since the one he test drove felt so good in his hands.

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My idea was to buy a guitar equipped with humbuckers, but I played a valensi riviera last week and was amazed at the finish and comfort to play. So my question is if there is any humbucker equipped guitar that has that same quality that nick valensi riviera??

If you find a guitar you connect with, it doesn't make sense to NOT get it because it is not exactly the same as a favorite player uses.

 

Also, pickups are the EASIEST thing to change on a guitar. I would never not buy a guitar or buy a guitar based on the pickups.

 

Things like feel, neck shape, finish, color, you cant swap out.

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Noel's main guitars in the early days were Les Pauls - even an Epi before Johnny Marr lent him 2 Gibsons.

 

Noel also played a brown Matsumoku Epiphone Riviera with a Bigsby and later a 1983 wine red Riviera, both with humbuckers. This was his main guitar for most of 1995.

 

Noel's union jack guitar was a 1996 USA Epiphone Sheraton. His sunburst Sheraton was custom made for him in 1995. Both were identical.

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