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valves are better than tubes

 

ask the beatles

Well, not neccesarily better, just more expensive.

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If you want to go for that classic UK 60s sound I'd say you can't go wrong with an AC15 or AC30.

 

Vox also do a valve reactor amp version of the 15 and 30 and they're a bit cheaper. If you want something with lots of pre-amps they do a great solid state series called Valvetronix.

 

Good luck!

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Jesting aside....

 

Obvious choices Vox AC15 and AC30

 

Vox Valvetronics

 

And (note the subtle nomenclature) Laney VC15 and VC30.....

 

V

 

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Just bought a new Vox AC 15C1 tube amp. Love what it does to my mini-humbucker equipped Riviera and my humbucker equipped Dot and ES-135, but my Casino, not so much. First time I ever tried a Casino, it was through a Marshall half stack. (Unfortunately, I didn't notice at the time which model I was using.)

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I think the levity of the first responses arose because there's a lot more to what amp to choose than just "with this guitar."

 

1. What style of music?

2. For playing in what sort of group or venue?

3. For practice, recording or gigging as in #2?

4. For a specific sound at what volume levels? Out to the crowd or more out to a mixer? If the latter, miked or sent how to the mixer?

5. With or without a lot of special effects?

6. What size and weight may or may not be a concern?

7. What is the budget?

 

Those all are questions that need be answered for a rational amplifier choice.

 

Once they are answered, then one can get into the discussion of brands, features such as line out and such, solid state vs. tubes (valves in Brit-speak), etc. For small venue solo jazz as with Joe Pass, a relatively small tube amp might do well - but then how do you banter between tunes? In a blues/rock/country band, do you go through a mixer? What type venues if not?

 

Does it make more sense for a more or less beginner to get a very inexpensive practice amp, perhaps one with built-in effects and such, to develop technique and then if joining a band, get such equipment as fits the needs of performances?

 

My opinion is that without those questions answered, you cannot make a rational choice - even if the budget question has no real top end, which I doubt...

 

m

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I'd say a Fender Deluxe Reverb, Twin Reverb, or Bassman. Vox AC30 is probably a good choice too. Personally I'm looking into the Blackstar HT line next.

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Vic...

 

Those all are good amps. I had a DR that got swapped for what amounts to a Twin on steroids I still have and I just got back my old late 60s-early 70s Bassman head. Never had a Vox...

 

But the thing is, the amp I use most is a little solid state 30-watt, 10-inch speaker Kustom acoustic electric amp that covers 90 percent of what I do, and a little PA that covers 9 percent.

 

That little amp has worked well enough for blues and country rock in a small saloon, jazz instrumental in a nearly 600 seat theater, as the basis of a recording setup with the computer... and I can haul it, a multi-effect processor and lots of cords, easily on a wheeled suitcase carrier. I can plug in earphones, out into the computer, line out to a PA or powered speaker, powered out to another cab... run a mike and guitar simultaneously with a different basic front end...

 

Now is it the world's greatest tone for everything I do? Nope. Not even close. But by the time it runs into a saloon with people in it, or bounces sound waves off the ceiling of a theater or smaller room, most folks can't really tell the difference.

 

If I were doing regular gigs of this or that style of music, yeah, I'd get something more specific to those gigs, or figure out better wheels for that big old tube monster of mine. Or buy a new something or other that would best fit the situation and budget. But right now... Nope.

 

m

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There was a similar question last week, and I'll give the same answer again. I think that for the money, that used Peavey Classic amps are a great choice. The Classic 20 is getting hard to find, the Classic 30s are all over the place. Great tube tone. Swap the speaker out for an old Jensen or a new Weber. Add an extension speaker and really open them up. The thing I like about tube amps is you can contour your sound with different tubes. Pick attack, sag, compression can all be influenced by different tubes. The trade off is you have to change them every once in a while, and good ones (older ones, not the new newer ones) can be a little pricey.

 

Like most here, I've been chasing tone for years. Amps, pickups pedals, etc. I've recently discovered EF86 preamp tubes. Most of the older Vox amps used them before the 12A*7 became kinda the industry standard. There are one or two guys on eBay that make chassis' using the EF86 and the sound is heavenly. I got an AC4 chassis from one and the difference is amazing, sounds nothing like the new AC-4 Vox sells. I'm aleady talking to the guy about an AC-10 or 15. There's a reason so many of the boutique amp builders use them as preamp tubes, you can't get that sound with a 12A*7 or even a 6EU7. Most circuits that use the EF86 also use EL84 or 6BQ5 power tubes, which I prefer. My Casino loves this amp, like my Strat loves my tweed Champ/DeLuxe.

 

Milod has it right when mentioning music type, venue and use. I don't play out much anymore. When I do, it's with acoustics, so 5 watts is plenty for me. But those will all be factors in which way you go. Set a budget, decide how you will use it, where you'll use it and how much you're willing to work with your amp. Pick a starting point, then ask again. There will be many suggestions. One will ring true for you.

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I have a Vox VT40+, got a knob or two, got a valve(Tube), got some buttons too, and can model most of the above amps and built in pedals, loud as f*&k or quiet as a mouse in sneaky sneakers. [thumbup]

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I give the nod to the Vox Valvetronix amps too.Unlike most hybrid amps that use the 12AX7 in the preamp position the Valvetronix uses it in the power amp position hence giving the whole amp a tube like warmth.The models for the AC15 and AC 30 are spot on to the real thing as are the Fender Twin and other tube amp settings.I have an AD120VTH with a 4-12 BN cabinet that can sound like any one of the world's most famous and desireable amps and my Casinos just sing through them.The Vox Pathfinder 15R and Fender Blues Jr. are also great when paired with the Casino.

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I give the nod to the Vox Valvetronix amps too.Unlike most hybrid amps that use the 12AX7 in the preamp position the Valvetronix uses it in the power amp position hence giving the whole amp a tube like warmth.The models for the AC15 and AC 30 are spot on to the real thing as are the Fender Twin and other tube amp settings.I have an AD120VTH with a 4-12 BN cabinet that can sound like any one of the world's most famous and desireable amps and my Casinos just sing through them.The Vox Pathfinder 15R and Fender Blues Jr. are also great when paired with the Casino.

I use a ToneLab for the same reason. It's basically a Valvetronix without the speaker. If you can't afford an AC30 or 15, the Valvetronix are the next best thing. Great effects, too. I like the rotary speaker on my TL.

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I have a Vox VT40+, got a knob or two, got a valve(Tube), got some buttons too, and can model most of the above amps and built in pedals, loud as f*&k or quiet as a mouse in sneaky sneakers. [thumbup]

+1! I completely agree: the VT40+ kicks a lot of arse! :D

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ive got a vox ac 30 and ill be playin out of small bars and stuff im just wandering is that will be good

 

Vox AC-30's are great! The other guitarist, in my band, uses one. We play bars, clubs, and even larger

venues, and he's never had a problem, in any of them, being heard. (Smile) With the "top boost" channel,

and a bit of tweaking, you'll be in tone heaven, at any volume.

 

And, if you want/need to keep it "clean," you have that lovely clean channel, for those bell like tones. Need dirt,

add a pedal, or switch channels. Great Amp!!

 

CB

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I'd say a Fender Deluxe Reverb, Twin Reverb, or Bassman. Vox AC30 is probably a good choice too. Personally I'm looking into the Blackstar HT line next.

 

I just tried one of them out in a shop and hated it! I just sold my ac30 cc2x as it's just too loud even at small venues! I dragged mine a lot and it's a back breaker! Go for a ac 15 hw series or a single speaker fender amp deluxe or a boutique blackface knock off if you got the money!

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Any Vox or boutique amp that uses an EF86 preamp tube. It's the reason that the old Vox's sounded so good (and the reason that the newer ones don't quite get there). I have an old style AC4 with one and an EL84 and it's perfect for the Casino. Look on eBay with a search for EF86 and see how many of the boutique guys have figured this out. The other thing to consider is that because they aren't as prevalent as the 12A*7 tubes, there are still plenty of good ones around and the price hasn't gone through the roof yet. Have you priced RCA black plate 12AX7s lately?

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And, don't forget Good Old Fender's! [thumbup] Twin Reverb, Deluxe Reverb, Hot Rod Series, etc., etc., etc.

If it was good enough, for "The Beatles," on the Roof (and later Studio recordings), how bad can they be? [biggrin]

 

CB

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