rockerberry Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yesterday i bought an Epiphone Casino Inspired by John Lennon model, Serial Number: 11061500276. I took off both pickups and i noticed they didn't said any "gibson usa p90t and p90r" inscription, instead there is a label inscribed with "epiphone USA EP90". Are they really Gibson USA P90 or somebody change them before selling? My guitar also lack the black ring around the toggle switch as indicated at the web picture. How can i distinguish the "Inspired By" Casino, from the Standard Casino. Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 How can i distinguish the "Inspired By" Casino, from the Standard Casino. Two quick ways: #1. On the back of the headstock of an Inspired By will be a little line drawing of John Lennon. #2. The fret where the neck joins the body on the Inspired By is the 16th fret; the standard Casino joins at the 17th. I suppose #1 can be faked onto a standard Casino, #2 can not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster1 Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Maybe someone thuged the black ring & changed the Pups out with a standard. I don't have an IB just a Standard, 50th Aniv, & 1965 Casino Elitist. Where did you get it from? Aster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerberry Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Searching for some info about the suposed "Gibson P90" pickups that the Epiphone Casino Inspired By should have, this is what i found: My link Can anybody tell me something about those "epiphone usa EP90" pickups? I didn't get any reply from the customer service in epiphone asking about those pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 On my JL REV, there is no additional white or black wire soldered to the braided lead wire that I can recall like the one pictured in your additional post ... And mine have the dog ear tabs. The above does not imply your pups are not the USA P-90's, but they are different from mine, but then again my Casino is about eight years older than yours, so things could have changed...... I'll take a look at my 2008 Gibby LPJ and see what that p-90 looks like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Yesterday i bought an Epiphone Casino Inspired by John Lennon model, Serial Number: 11061500276. I took off both pickups and i noticed they didn't said any "gibson usa p90t and p90r" inscription, instead there is a label inscribed with "epiphone USA EP90". Are they really Gibson USA P90 or somebody change them before selling? My guitar also lack the black ring around the toggle switch as indicated at the web picture. How can i distinguish the "Inspired By" Casino, from the Standard Casino. Thank you very much. Just noticed that your casino looks like a three tone sunburst - the "inspired by" is a two tone sunburst.And yours don´t have the f holes painted black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I checked my Gibby LPJ and it has the additional white lead wire soldered to the braided wire, but again it has the dog ear tabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Check this picture : http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/k-gakki/cabinet/eg2/epi_g/epi_jlcas_vs_2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aster1 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Those are not what is listed that it should come with for PUP's. I had read clearly "Gibson USA P-90's" when I was looking for one and then decided on the Elitist. Again, where did you get the guitar. Was is from a brick & mortar Dealer, Online dealer or a Flee Bay deal? I prob. would send it back if I had that as an option. Hope you get this fixed as I know it's no fun having things different than represented. Just tell someone the facts & then you can decided if you want to purchase or not purchase. I just hope it isn't some Chinese fake that some of those companies are making over there ripping off even the Chinese made Epi's. That's low. Aster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougg330 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 One more issue: the label says: Inspired by "John Lennon" Why is Lennon's name in quotes like that? Looks odd. Anyone have an IBJL handy to compare label language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 One more issue: the label says: Inspired by "John Lennon" Why is Lennon's name in quotes like that? Looks odd. Anyone have an IBJL handy to compare label language? The label looks right to me, but the edges of the f-holes on mine are painted black....Here´s a link to some pics of mine... http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/m-meine-anzeige.html?adId=42759444 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianh Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 The label looks right to me, but the edges of the f-holes on mine are painted black....Here´s a link to some pics of mine... http://kleinanzeigen...l?adId=42759444[/quote] Here's a few pics of mine if that's of any help: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Yeah, exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungrycat Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 For what it's worth, My Elite Les Paul has a similar sticker on the back of its pickups proclaiming them to be "Epiphone USA" and then a model number that isn't used for Gibson pickups. And it's legit, because I bought it at the Gibson store in Nashville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I've seen models with f-holes painted black, and others not painted; there seems to be some inconsistency with that. What fret the neck joins the body is the best way to tell for sure which model it is. Also, the neck is slightly fuller on the IBJL. They're the structural differences. I seem to remember the wiring on the JL was different; that silver casing. It isn't on my standard, so going by what's visible in your photos I'd be inclined to think yours is a JL, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerberry Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 Ok, i noticed some differences. Can you tell me the year of your Casino Inspired By. Did you look at the back of both pickups in your guitar, to be sure they are GIBSON USA P90, instead of "epiphone USA EP90" as in my guitar? That's my main concern. I choosed this model instead the regular or standard casino because of the Gibson P90 stock in the Inspired By John Lennon. Maybe somebody should change the specs from the web page and clarify that this model comes with Epiphone USA EP90, instead of GIBSON USA P90, because i feel like i've been cheated. Sorry about my english, it isn't my foreing language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Ok, i noticed some differences. Can you tell me the year of your Casino Inspired By. Did you look at the back of both pickups in your guitar, to be sure they are GIBSON USA P90, instead of "epiphone USA EP90" as in my guitar? That's my main concern. I choosed this model instead the regular or standard casino because of the Gibson P90 stock in the Inspired By John Lennon. Maybe somebody should change the specs from the web page and clarify that this model comes with Epiphone USA EP90, instead of GIBSON USA P90, because i feel like i've been cheated. Sorry about my english, it isn't my foreing language. To be honest, do you like the sound of your guitar? If yes, than it doesn't matter.It's just a sticker... I never checked it on mine because i like the sound i get out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerberry Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 To be honest, do you like the sound of your guitar? If yes, than it doesn't matter.It's just a sticker... I never checked it on mine because i like the sound i get out of it... 'm agree with you. I`m fine with the sound of my guitar, as well as i am with the sound of my Epiphone Les Paul Special II, my first guitar and the lowest price guitar from epiphone that you can afford. I was just asking about this topic, because i think the specs listed on the web site, make buyers think they are acquiring a guitar mounted WITH GIBSON USA P90, and the highest standards of manufacture and finest materials GIBSON is known for. If the guitar doesn't have what is listed with, the buyer is being cheated, EVEN when the final result sounds satisfactory. But we are talking about spending money in something you really wanted, because you can get a good sound from a Gibson and from an Ephiphone made in china as well. I just inquire what i paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyGibson Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I agree it does seem a little misleading to state in an ad "Gibson USA" and then open it up and see a sticker that says, "Epuiphone USA". Perhaps instead on the standard Epi pickups being wound by little Chinese fingers. These were wound in the USA at the Gibson Factory by big fat American fingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypsyseven Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 ...and the highest standards of manufacture and finest materials GIBSON is known for. Wow, didn´t know that Gibson is that superior... To be honest, i would always prefer a MIJ Tokai over any "standard" (not Custom Shop) Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaSTuS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 To be honest, i would always prefer a MIJ Tokai over any "standard" (not Custom Shop) Gibson. +1 Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 "Epiphone USA EP90" is how these pickups have always been labeled, whether for the Japanese Elitist or Chinese IBJL. The Elitist literature would state that all Elitist pickups were made by Gibson, but the specs would simply say EP90. The IBJL literature started calling them "Gibson P90" pickups. Regardless, the EP90 is made by Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrmatt Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Just noticed that your casino looks like a three tone sunburst - the "inspired by" is a two tone sunburst.And yours don´t have the f holes painted black. The initial run in 09 had the Vintage Sunburst in two tone somewhere along the line in 2010 the VS went to the more Lennon like 3 tone VS and they stopp ed painting the f-holes black on both models offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerberry Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 +1 Absolutely. I respect your choice, but what you prefer isn't always what you paid for... I also respect Gibson users as Fender or Epiphone or whatever brand of guitar you play with. But it's supposed that Gibson was a pionner in construction acustic and electric guitars as their hardware and pickups, and have auspiced many of the legends of blues and rock 'n roll. So if something it's labeled "Gibson USA" isn't the same as labeled "BY Gibson USA" or "Epiphone USA" or "Epibphone China", this label is the motivation for many guitar players, from begginers to professionals, to chose where their money is wasted ON. The same motivation makes someone to be identified with an specific sound, band, history, etc. I think the customer most be respected when a promotion is made and satisfy what is listed on the specs with no "between the lines". If you look at the specs for the EPIPHONE CASINO INSP. BY John Lennon, both at www.epiphone.com and wwww.gibson.com, you could read pickups: "GIBSON USA P90", but you aren't warned that the pickups are "Epiphone USA EP90", EVEN when they are "made by" Gibson for THIS specific model, they are NOT the REAL DEAL "GIBSON USA P90" pickups you expected. Sorry again for my inglish... i'm trying to do my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerberry Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 "Epiphone USA EP90" is how these pickups have always been labeled, whether for the Japanese Elitist or Chinese IBJL. The Elitist literature would state that all Elitist pickups were made by Gibson, but the specs would simply say EP90. The IBJL literature started calling them "Gibson P90" pickups. Regardless, the EP90 is made by Gibson. Ok, i would like to see the face of a customer buying a Gibson USA ES-330 mounted with a P90 pickup and he found a label "EPIPHONE USA EP90". I don't think this guy would understand what this label is even when the customer service from Gibson tells him that those pickups where made BY gibson... but it's NOT gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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