windhover Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 My SG JR was bought for me by my father used in 1968. This Im sure of. My serial # is 900884. Gibsons site says its made in 1970. Another one Bluebook Guitars says 1968. Heres the proof of wrong #...I have nickel hardware which stopped being used in 1966. I have the small pickguard not the batwing that went on the SG's in 1967. I cant read by pot codes do to solder overlying them an dont wann mess up the value by removing it. I called a Vintage Guitar shop in New York saying I wanted to sell the guitar. I explained all this to them. He looked up my serial # using Gruhns Vintage Guide and said my Guitar was made in latter part of 1963..Wen the Les Paul JR became the SG JR..........Has anyone else had the problem dating thier vintage SG?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lous1952 Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Look at these serial numbers. Gibson Serial Numbers, Feb 1961 to 1970. All models, stamped in back top of peghead. No "MADE IN USA" stamp below serial number! Note many serial numbers are duplicated from 1963-1969. In these cases, to figure out which is the exact year for a guitar, see the General Specs section for more details. ALSO note: It is easy to confuse 5 digit and 6 digit serial numbers from this era, and hence get the wrong year for a guitar. That is, 55555 is not the same number as 555555 (but when reading the number off the back of a Gibson peghead, these two numbers do look very similar!) Range Year ----- ---- 0100 to 42440 1961 42441 to 61180 1962 61450 to 64222 1963 64240 to 71040 1964 71041 to 96600 1962, a few from 1963/1964 96601 to 99999 1963 000001 to 099999 1967 (all 6 digit numbers starting with "0" are 1967) 100000 to 106099 1963 or 1967 106100 to 106899 1963 109000 to 109999 1963 or 1967 110000 to 111549 1963 111550 to 115799 1963 or 1967 115800 to 118299 1963 118300 to 120999 1963 or 1967 121000 to 139999 1963 140000 to 140100 1963 or 1967 140101 to 144304 1963 144305 to 144380 1964 144381 to 149864 1963 149865 to 149891 1964 149892 to 152989 1963 152990 to 174222 1964 174223 to 176643 1964 or 1965 176644 to 250335 1964 250336 to 305983 1965 306000 to 310999 1965 or 1967 311000 to 320149 1965 320150 to 320699 1967 320700 to 329179 1965 329180 to 330199 1965 or 1967 330200 to 332240 1965, 1967 or 1968 332241 to 348092 1965 348093 to 349100 1966 349121 to 368638 1965 368640 to 369890 1966 370000 to 370999 1967 380000 to 385309 1966 390000 to 390998 1967 400001 to 406666 1966 406667 to 409670 1966 to 1968 409671 to 410900 1966 410901 to 419999 unknown 420000 to 429193 1966 500000 to 500999 1965, 1966, 1968, or 1969 501009 to 501600 1965 501601 to 501702 1968 501703 to 502706 1965 or 1968 503010 to 503109 1968 503405 to 520955 1965 or 1968 520956 to 530056 1968 530061 to 530850 1966, 1968, or 1969 530851 to 530993 1968 or 1969 530994 to 539999 1969 540000 to 540795 1966 or 1969 540796 to 545009 1969 555000 to 557999 1966 558000 to 567400 1969 570087 to 570643 1966 570645 to 570755 1966 or 1967 570857 to 570964 1966 580000 to 580080 1969 580086 to 580999 1966, 1967 or 1969 600000 to 600998 low end models, 1966, 1967, or 1968 600000 to 606090 high end models, 1969 700000 to 700799 1966, 1967 or 1969 750000 to 750999 1968 or 1969 800000 to 800999 1966, 1967, 1968 or 1969 801000 to 812838 1966 or 1969 812900 to 819999 1969 820000 to 820087 1966 or 1969 820088 to 823830 1966 824000 to 824999 1969 828002 to 847488 1966 or 1969 847499 to 858999 1966 or 1969 859001 to 895038 1967 895039 to 896999 1968 897000 to 898999 1967 or 1969 899000 to 899999 1968 900000 to 901999 1970 910000 to 999999 1968 Gibson Serial Numbers, early to mid 1970's. All models, stamped in back top of headstock. "MADE IN U.S.A." stamped below the serial number in back top of peghead, in the same size type, and on two lines with "U.S.A." below the "MADE IN": Number Year ------ ---- 6 digits + A 1970 000000's 1973 100000's 1970-1975 200000's 1973-1975 300000's 1974-1975 400000's 1974-1975 500000's 1974-1975 600000's 1970-1972, 1974-1975 700000's 1970-1972 800000's 1973-1975 900000's 1970-1972 A + 6 digits 1973-1975 B + 6 digits 1974-1975 C + 6 digits 1974-1975 D + 6 digits 1974-1975 E + 6 digits 1974-1975 F + 6 digits 1974-1975 From the serial number, it would be a '70-'72. Is it possible that it was stamped with a 6 digit number by mistake? Possible, but not likely. Also, it's possible that it has a replacement neck. Are you absolutely sure that it was bought in 1968? People's memories, including mine, get faulty after 40 years. The SG will have to be thoroughly inspected to ascertain what it is. It might be possible to check the pot codes without breaking the solder joints. Also, '63 Juniors had "Les Paul Model" on the headstock until late '63. No matter what, without some sort of authentication, you'll have a difficult time selling it for '63 Jr. money. Put some pictures up, and if I can help you, I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 I was the 2nd owner no neck replaced. The pickguard is the proof that the ser # stamp dont match gibsons ser# ID chart. 66 was last yrs small pickguard used. A jeweler tested the hardware.its nickel. There is no Volute or bump in the neck at the headstock. Ive emailed Gibson Ill see what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well, Gibson customer service emailed me.. They asked for all the info I already gave in in my email............lol.... but also asked for photos.. and I will send them.........Up set over the form letter email..... I called the 24 hr tech support number.......The guy there was pretty savy on SG's an ser numbers..... Still he had no answere as to why my ser nos say 1968 or 70...... yet the guitar has a small pickguard that ceased production on SG's in 1966........ And I have nickel plated hardware.. I think that stopped in 64 may be wrong but in was in thier catologs ads....... When I mentioned that a Vintage dealer in NYC used George Gruhns Vintage Guitar Identifacation Book to date my guitar to a 1963 SG JR..Not Les Paul JR.........He actually gave me Georges tele #....Saying call him he can probbabally date it better than us............Can ya believe that...........Not putting the Gibson Co down just thought with all the obvious discrepancies that they would have dug into the matter to see why my serial # showed 1968 or 1970......when the Guitar is def pre 1966......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarJunkie Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Be fair to Gibson. Why would you expect them to have records of every serial number going back over 40 years? They did what any good customer service department should... They tried to answer your question to the best of their ability, and when they couldn't, they referred you to someone who is considered one of the foremost experts on vintage guitars in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Imk still waiting on Gibson to straighten this out.....Im sure they will..........But ya aske "Why would ya expect them to have records of every serial # going back for 40 yrs?"....Well as the largest and longest Guitar manufacturer in the USA........and with the highest reseale value of vintage guitars on the market........Yes I do expect them to keep accurate records... You dont know the story of this guitar its been with me since I was 15........Im 55 now an I go to date it an see that they say it was made after i got it second hand.................. ........Ill talk to George.........see what he says........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lous1952 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Gibson is not going to tell you anything beyond what they already did, especially without an in hand inspection. Gibson kept very poor records in those days, and many were lost when they moved from Kalamazoo. Gruhn can tell you what it is. Why don't you put some pictures up here? I've owned many SGs for over 40 years- I can probably tell you what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Ill post some pics soon as I get my daughters dig camera......Gibson wants photos as does George Gruhn........Ill have some in a few days..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 http://s463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 How do I post that so my images display here on the site??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Ill try an post pics again<center> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4445.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4446.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4447.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4448.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4449.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4450.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4451.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4452.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4453.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4454.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4455.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4456.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4457.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4458.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4459.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> <img src="http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4460.jpg" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"><br><br> </center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Trying one last time.........48.jpg[/img]indhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4448.jpg[/img]ums/qq351/windhover_2008/SG%20JR/000_4448.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windhover Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.