taxman Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Very fair point but if I had to choose one set of strings for my guitars (i.e not practical to put on flats for one song) .... sometimes you wish you could own one always strung with flats as well... With Casinos, which are not very expensive guitars, it can be done. One of these has the rounds, the other has the flats. It really is such a joy to be able to switch from one sound to another without having to restring an entire guitar. I know it's rather obscene to have the luxury of two of the same guitars strung with different strings, but, hey, I only have one White Falcon and I sure don't have two of those strung with flats and rounds. Owning two White Falcons just for the sake of different strings is really obscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EpiphoneFan1989 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I love your Casinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I love your Casinos. Can't argue with that. That pic always makes me smile. Especially the IBJL one!! Both my Casinos have rounds on them at the moment but I do occasionally opt for Pyramid Golds on the natural: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Thanks for the compliments on the Casinos. Casinos really are beauties. Epi got everything right in their design and look. I do occasionally opt for Pyramid Golds on the natural: Pyramids? You know how the internet can create mountains out of mole hills? Well, the latest "the sky is falling" internet thing I notice on the guitar forums is that Pyramids tension is actually damaging to guitar necks. I've come across a few posters saying their necks have been bowing a bit too much with the Pyramids on them. I, too, added fuel to the fire. My Epi John Lennon acoustic has Pyramid Golds on her and I do notice I have to tweak the truss rod more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Taxman strikes again, thanks for the heads up on the Pyramids I pondered getting some. Think ill stick with the Ernie Balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Pyramids? You know how the internet can create mountains out of mole hills? Well, the latest "the sky is falling" internet thing I notice on the guitar forums is that Pyramids tension is actually damaging to guitar necks. I've come across a few posters saying their necks have been bowing a bit too much with the Pyramids on them. I, too, added fuel to the fire. My Epi John Lennon acoustic has Pyramid Golds on her and I do notice I have to tweak the truss rod more and more. Yes, to the over-taut Pyramid issue. I mentioned last week, in a similar post, that my guitar tech, who worked at the Ric factory for some time , (until quality control diferences with John Hall forced him to quit) has been warning me about Pyramid strings for years. I would take his opinion on this as informed. For his recommendation, if you have a Ric (and especially a 12 string), use the Rickenbacker strings instead. Cheaper, great tone, easy to find. I switched my 360-12 out to Rics when I had Mark do his 11 point upgrade to it, 7 years ago, so the knowledge that Pyramids create issues isn't new. It's just becoming more known. Ric necks, especially the 12 string models, are known to be narrow. It's definitely narrower (and not any thicker) than my Casino, Strat, SG or acoustic. So then you add high tension strings to that scenario and there's a good chance there'll be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Is an over-taught pyramid one that has been to school too much? Sorry, looks like I bought too many letters. Alex, what is taut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I have no issues with Pyramids on my 325s but wouldn't use them on my J-160e. Mostly use good ol' elixirs on my Casinos just for sheer longevity but next time I fancy a set of flats I will try TIs or something else to see if I know any difference in the neck tension. I've got to be honest I have never experienced any problems with Pyramids and I know this debate has gone on at other beatles/60s gear forums that I frequent and plenty of respectable players and guitar techs refute the pyramid claim while others will swear by it. I think a lot of it has got to do with how pedantic you are about your guitars as much as anything else... Acoustics and 12 strings and vintage guitars I'm more careful about but I just spent £2000 on a 325c64 and my vox python is destroying the finish by knocking into it and bumping off the edges but it doesn't bother me one bit! I play my guitars to death through my job so the likelihood of them surviving that much amount of travelling and playing without getting wrecked is highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I have no issues with Pyramids on my 325s but wouldn't use them on my J-160e. Mostly use good ol' elixirs on my Casinos just for sheer longevity but next time I fancy a set of flats I will try TIs or something else to see if I know any difference in the neck tension. I've got to be honest I have never experienced any problems with Pyramids and I know this debate has gone on at other beatles/60s gear forums that I frequent and plenty of respectable players and guitar techs refute the pyramid claim while others will swear by it. I think a lot of it has got to do with how pedantic you are about your guitars as much as anything else... Acoustics and 12 strings and vintage guitars I'm more careful about but I just spent £2000 on a 325c64 and my vox python is destroying the finish by knocking into it and bumping off the edges but it doesn't bother me one bit! I play my guitars to death through my job so the likelihood of them surviving that much amount of travelling and playing without getting wrecked is highly unlikely. As far as claims for and against Pyramids, it mostly comes down to what you like. It's that old Ford vs Chevy thing (Ford vs Holden to some). I had Pyramids on my 360-12 and really liked them. . But since it's by far the most valuable guitar that I own, I'm not taking any chances on it. So I changed them. As far as TIs for you Casino, I switched mine to 11s, with a wound G and love the sound they give. Pricey, but worth it. But then I don't do a lot of lead work, mostly rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Didnt Lennon use Pyramids on his Casino? 11s I think. I to only play rhytym and no lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 You tend to hear a lot of the complaining about pyramids from the people who have bought badly made Rickenbackers and fragile Hofners... ;) I actuall dislike the lower tension of TIs on my 325s. Do people really believe that guitars with 2 truss rods can't handle the extra tension once the guitar has settled with the strings. They sound great for the early John rythm but I do prefer the compressed rounds on my Miami Is your luthier Mark Arnquist? He doesn't seem to have a problem putting Pyramids on guitars that he sets up. Even Rick 12s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweed2 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes he is. I don't know what he does for other people, or how long ago, but I changed to Rics on his recommendation. When it comes to anything Ric, I'll trust Mark's judgement. I saw no downside going to the Ric branded strings and if it lessens the chance of problems down the road, all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 next time I fancy a set of flats I will try TIs or something else to see if I know any difference in the neck tension. I have TI Jazz Swing Flats 10s on my White Falcon and they are, the perfect word would be, "supple." So smooth, so wonderful, just a joy to play. TIs are definitely the tops when it comes to flatwounds. I just spent £2000 on a 325c64 and my vox python is destroying the finish by knocking into it and bumping off the edges but it doesn't bother me one bit! Ouch! So the $100 guitar strap has won the battle over the $3,500 guitar? I've always heard that complaint about the Python strap - it beats the heck out of the guitar. You seem to have found the solution: don't let it bother you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yeah I liked the TI 10s and 11s flats on my blonde casino for playing lead as well as rythm. Would go back to them for sure. The Miami I've had about 6 weeks and it has done over 30 gigs already. Nothing that can be seen from a foot or two away or has gone down to the wood but already a number of little dings that come in a row of 3 or 4 where the python has hit it... Oops! Now I understand how John got that big row of gouges/ridges on DB122 on the lower horn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkuss Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes he is. I don't know what he does for other people, or how long ago, but I changed to Rics on his recommendation. When it comes to anything Ric, I'll trust Mark's judgement. I saw no downside going to the Ric branded strings and if it lessens the chance of problems down the road, all the better. Yeah Mark is the man. He knows just about everything there is to know about guitars (especially ricks)and is so generous with that knowledge. I want one of his doctored 360/12s. Shame Winfield don't sell a 12 string set but I put these on my Miami: http://www.winfieldvintage.com/parts/strings.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Has anyone noticed the different finished on the models of Casinos. My '05 Peerless has the burst, but it isn't as pronounced on the horns like the reissue '65 Lennons. Does anybody know why that is? Just curious, I would prefer mine to go up into the horns more. Just wondering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 Yeah I liked the TI 10s and 11s flats on my blonde casino for playing lead as well as rythm. Would go back to them for sure. The Miami I've had about 6 weeks and it has done over 30 gigs already. Nothing that can be seen from a foot or two away or has gone down to the wood but already a number of little dings that come in a row of 3 or 4 where the python has hit it... Oops! Now I understand how John got that big row of gouges/ridges on DB122 on the lower horn! I don't know HOW he kept that guitar in tune, with THAT (particular) vibrato! I have one, just like it, and changed to a "R" tailpiece, so it would stay in tune. A 3/4 scale, with that old vibrato, is just "asking for it," IMHO. LOL CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonematter Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 The Gibson SG with maestro is also a major Revolver guitar. If I recall correctly, the Beatles also had Vox amps that had a tonebender circuit built into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 Tonematter- That SG was a big part of Revolver. I would love to have that same model... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Check out the "Tech21" Character pedal series.......They have a "Liverpool" pedal that might be helpful....... I've begun collecting them all; I haven't tried out the "Liverpool" one yet........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Damian- That pedal does come quite close to The Beatles tone. I would like get a hold of one or a real AC 30 or Fender Showman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Damian- That pedal does come quite close to The Beatles tone. I would like get a hold of one or a real AC 30 or Fender Showman! Yes.....I'm impressed with those pedals; all analog, with very good speaker emulated output for direct recording, AND direct to amp output...... I do only recording "work" these days, no gigging, and recording on a variety of levels.....So, I'll only use uber quality pedals in a signal path...... These pedals are great.....I imagine the "Liverpool" used with your Casino and/or Strat into most amps will do a nice Beatles sound........... Um, yeah, a real AC 15 or AC 30 would be awesome to own as well..........( I'd love to own a Casino myself; I will, someday )............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Damian im gonna try and track one down, they sound good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Don't pay more than $169.00 for one............I won't........Feel free to PM me........... Dang, I almost feel like a "Paperback Writer".......... ...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casino4Life Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Yea after seeing the price on those....I'll pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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