dem00n Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 A pair of Pioneer cs-R700. Yes, i'm turning into an audiophile The receiver is a Pioneer SX-737 and for now i'm using a run of the mill JVC CD player but the guy i bought it off says i shouldnt change the CD player unless i go higher quailty. Next is turntable!
Riffster Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Nice, What amplifier/receiver are you using?
dem00n Posted January 13, 2012 Author Posted January 13, 2012 Nice, What amplifier/receiver are you using? In all honesty right now i dont have a amplifier, i bought one from a guy i know but hes still fixing it from water damage. It's a Pioneer as well, forgot the exact model number. I had my friends amp hooked up to it, sounds amazing. I'll update this topic when i get it. Need a turntable to.
Riffster Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 You can get a great deal on Receivers/amplifiers on craigslist, some from the 70's and 80's when receivers were designed for turntables. As for a turntable I would recommend Audio Technica, mine is a Technics knock off, I upgraded it with a Shure cartridge so for $250 I have a killer turntable.
dem00n Posted January 13, 2012 Author Posted January 13, 2012 You can get a great deal on Receivers/amplifiers on craigslist, some from the 70's and 80's when receivers were designed for turntables. As for a turntable I would recommend Audio Technica, mine is a Technics knock off, I upgraded it with a Shure cartridge so for $250 I have a killer turntable. Yeah i know about cragislist deals, my friend keeps telling me to bseparatereate amp with turntable. He always says that the receivers with turntables arent that good. Dont know about that thoguh.
EVOL! Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 As for a turntable I would recommend Audio Technica, mine is a Technics knock off, I upgraded it with a Shure cartridge so for $250 I have a killer turntable. If you're going to drop $250 for a phono cartridge, might as well go deluxe like an Ortofon 2M Blue . Those run $225. My funds are limited so I go the 2M Red. Still sounds great.
Riffster Posted January 13, 2012 Posted January 13, 2012 Yea, there are not good receiver/turntable combos. A Professional turnatble is the way to go, or a good knock off like mine. A cheap turntable will "eat up" your vinyls, trust me I know By the way, the day you hear Slayer's Reign in Blood and South of Heaven in vinyl on a good system you'll never want to go back to anything else.
dem00n Posted January 23, 2012 Author Posted January 23, 2012 Yea, there are not good receiver/turntable combos. A Professional turnatble is the way to go, or a good knock off like mine. A cheap turntable will "eat up" your vinyls, trust me I know By the way, the day you hear Slayer's Reign in Blood and South of Heaven in vinyl on a good system you'll never want to go back to anything else. I know, i have to go buy more Vinyls now. I'll be looking out for South of Heaven. Bump
bonzoboy Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Way to go,Pioneer is top shelf gear of the best quality aand you can't go wrong with JVC either.As far as sound goes you just can't beat the warmth of analogue.Too many kids are growing up today and using their I pods etc. with their dinky little earbuds and they can't recognize a clean audiophile sound from a first rate stereo system.My best buddy swears by Pioneer gear as far as amp,turntable,reel to reel,cassette recorder and 200 disc CD player go.The only non Pioneer gear he has are the speakers-they are Bose 901's.There's no comparison if you listen to a song on an MP-3 player and then listen to the same song on a high quality stereo system.Viva analogue.
Rocky4 Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I used a Pioneer SA 6500 for years. Although it was entry level, it sounded fantastic to me.
stein Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 For a turntable on the cheap, I would go with one of the direct drives from the 70's. A heavy built one. The arm is important, get one with what appears to be heavy. I know this sounds backwards, direct drive vs belt drive, heavy arm, but they are real sleepers, and you can score for about 100 bones. What appears to be a heavy arm would actually be what is considered medium/light mass by todays standards, and be compatible with a better range of cartridges.
dem00n Posted January 23, 2012 Author Posted January 23, 2012 For a turntable on the cheap, I would go with one of the direct drives from the 70's. A heavy built one. The arm is important, get one with what appears to be heavy. I know this sounds backwards, direct drive vs belt drive, heavy arm, but they are real sleepers, and you can score for about 100 bones. What appears to be a heavy arm would actually be what is considered medium/light mass by todays standards, and be compatible with a better range of cartridges. Thats what i was thinking, i might as well go all Pioneer turntable to, to match the receiver and speaker.
mayer_shabetay Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Looks great Dem00n!!! Pioneer is the best!!!
Riffster Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 If you're going to drop $250 for a phono cartridge, might as well go deluxe like an Ortofon 2M Blue . Those run $225. My funds are limited so I go the 2M Red. Still sounds great. I paid $250 for both turntable and Shure cartridge, $210 on the turntable and $40 for the cartridge. Good for you Dem00n.
stein Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Thats what i was thinking, i might as well go all Pioneer turntable to, to match the receiver and speaker. Pioneer would be fine..but you might be limited to what you can find. Matching turntable to amp makes no difference in compatability. You might check a site called AUDIOGON, which is kinda like a classifieds for stereo equipment. I'd be more than happy to advise, I know LOT about this stuff. I have set up and modified a lot of vinyl rigs back in the day.
Aster1 Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 It's fun to hear that people are turning back to the "old days" of audio equip some!! Back when we had our audio salon, late 70's - early 80's, we carried all the good stuff. Dahlquist speakers, Infinity Pro, Acoustat Electrostatic speakers, Audio Research, Conrad-Johnson, Harman-Kardon amps & inline turntables. We were selling $600 tone arms, $3000 turntables, & $1000 moving coil phono cartridges. We thought the "New" CD's that Philips & Sony came up with sounded like P.O.S. compared to LP's. I had some equip. that sounded so close to live music (not electric stuff, like if you set up some folks playing acoustic gear on a small venue setting), that it was SCARRY. Lost $15,000 ( 1980's money) in equip (all vacuum tube electronics) to a robbery at my home. Dang it, still wish I had that stuff that sold for pennies to some D.H. Those horn speakers look like they can make your ears bleed for sure!! Is that a 12" or a 15" woofer? Can't tell w/o some scale to judge in the photo. Look pretty good. If you can locate some old NAD (New Acoustic Dimension) amps or receiver you would love it. Some of the old HK stuff was great too. The old 20 watt NAD receivers had more balls than Geronimo's horse and really sounded EXCELLENT. Also, if you could find any of the old Dynaco tube amps or pre-amp & power amp pieces about all they'd need is re-tubing. Really sounding good. Old Mac vacuum tube stuff too. Not the solid state crap. All the new audiophile stuff we have access to is HUGE $$$ now, I guess not by today's money but $8000 amps are still big bucks. The old ones were $3500 for preamp/poweramp setups in the early 80's so that's about the same as now. Aster
dem00n Posted January 24, 2012 Author Posted January 24, 2012 One day i'll get a tube amp for the speakers. I noticed a lot of the "old school" audiophiles rave about the current mcintosh amps, but those are crazy priced. I rather buy a Les Paul!
stein Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 It's fun to hear that people are turning back to the "old days" of audio equip some!! Back when we had our audio salon, late 70's - early 80's, we carried all the good stuff. Dahlquist speakers, Infinity Pro, Acoustat Electrostatic speakers, Audio Research, Conrad-Johnson, Harman-Kardon amps & inline turntables. We were selling $600 tone arms, $3000 turntables, & $1000 moving coil phono cartridges. We thought the "New" CD's that Philips & Sony came up with sounded like P.O.S. compared to LP's. I had some equip. that sounded so close to live music (not electric stuff, like if you set up some folks playing acoustic gear on a small venue setting), that it was SCARRY. Lost $15,000 ( 1980's money) in equip (all vacuum tube electronics) to a robbery at my home. Dang it, still wish I had that stuff that sold for pennies to some D.H. Those horn speakers look like they can make your ears bleed for sure!! Is that a 12" or a 15" woofer? Can't tell w/o some scale to judge in the photo. Look pretty good. If you can locate some old NAD (New Acoustic Dimension) amps or receiver you would love it. Some of the old HK stuff was great too. The old 20 watt NAD receivers had more balls than Geronimo's horse and really sounded EXCELLENT. Also, if you could find any of the old Dynaco tube amps or pre-amp & power amp pieces about all they'd need is re-tubing. Really sounding good. Old Mac vacuum tube stuff too. Not the solid state crap. All the new audiophile stuff we have access to is HUGE $$$ now, I guess not by today's money but $8000 amps are still big bucks. The old ones were $3500 for preamp/poweramp setups in the early 80's so that's about the same as now. Aster Feeling you. I lost my system in a storage theft. Just as bad, I lost all the records, all the tubes, and all the tools I used for set-ups. I think we, as a society, lost a lot when we converted to the CD from records. Granted, they made up for a lot of the faults of cheap turntables, but we failed to see how much was missing and how cheap CD's were. I think it changed our listening habits, and maybe the way we view music. There was a time when it was common to put on a record, and actually listen to it with full attention, as opposed to having it as background noise. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that a CD holds a limited amount of info, and takes away from the performance of the musicians in the recording. Most don't realize just how much more info is on a typical record, or how much is missing on a CD. Even if it doesn't sound 'real', it is much easier to hear what the musicians are playing, and feel the emotion from what they are playing. The cool thing is that a lot of these old systems are built so well that they can easily equal what would pass as 'audiophile' quality today. And for vinyl, if you put a rig together right, for a few hundered (or less) it is pretty easy to get something that gives you more than CD players costing thousands.
Aster1 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 I think we, as a society, lost a lot when we converted to the CD from records. Granted, they made up for a lot of the faults of cheap turntables, but we failed to see how much was missing and how cheap CD's were. I think it changed our listening habits, and maybe the way we view music. There was a time when it was common to put on a record, and actually listen to it with full attention, as opposed to having it as background noise. Spot On!! I sooooo remember when I'd setup for a listing session and that ALL I did. Wasn't dicking around with a book, smart phone, texting, scan emails, tweets,etc. Now I will admit that it is nice for some background music while doing mundane tasks like cleaning the house, garage etc. But listing to MUSIC was like watching a movie. Woops, I guess people are dicking around with a book, smart phone, texting, scan emails, tweets,etc. now doing that at the theaters. But you know what I mean. In my industry (A/V, Lighting control & automation, theaters, general home technology) I was reading a guru in a trade publication explaining the challenges we as an industry are facing with the next generation from we boomers and selling audio. He stated, how will we show the "value and quality" of better surround or whole house audio systems to a group of people that were raised on an MP3 player & ear buds as the "reference quality" for music. Further, to a majority that now have permanent ear damage and can't hear quality if you show it to them! That just really hit home. IMHO the ear buds were one of the worst invents for use (you know the kind that seal off in the ear canal. Really damaging SPL's generated with out any problem from very little audio "pod" devices. And in my day, they warned of open air headphones & then sealed ear headphones. I'm in the mid 50's and unless my ears are plugged up with allergies, I can still hear over 13 Khz. I did take very good care of excellent hearing and avoid damaging SPL all my life however. Still say my share of the classic rockers from the Dead to the Acid Rock crowd. Just bummed cigarettes from smokers & tore off the new filters and stuck them in my ears when we were at the concerts tours. Aster
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