MikeRom Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I've always felt that SRV was a very repatitive player. But the stuff he repeats ... wow. Still, did get tiresome after a while. Has some really great songs tho and a terrific voice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 i think this is the best veiw on hendrix Hendrix' premature death elevated him to God-like status.Was he a great guitarist and innovator? Definitely. Ahead of his time? I wouldn't know, I wasn't around back then... But the greatest of all time? That's hard to defend. Guitarists have been building on, and expanding, Hendrix' legacy. Just like Hendrix himself did to get where he was. I can think of several guitarists I'm more impressed by. But you can't argue the fact he's one of the most influential guitarists ever. now rybass, idk what got you all puffed up, but lets think about it -me as a guitarist, idk where that statement came from, but let me tell you that i am as humble as they come, and i am a "student" of the guitar, i will leave it @ that -second, i havent said that my opinion is better then anyone else's, idk where this came from either -third, yes i have watched page, i have more bootleggs then i do spots in my dvd holder, page live as a guitar player is a work of art, sloppy-yes. But to be able to control, and manipulate the guitar the way page did, listen to the sounds, the scales, the double stops, the improv, i KNOW page isnt one of the most talented guitarists ever...... -idk y we started talking about hendrix, but lets talk hendrix, for me, he has some good stuff, so w/e stuff, he had the balls to do things on guitar that no-one else did, that, along with his showmanship, songwriting, and the fact that he had the best rythem section in all of england (something you cant say for SRV) contributed greatly to his sucsess, and is why I dig hendrix, can i imgine a world w/out srv-i dont want to, but i still turn the radio everytime he comes on notice i didnt start any drama, i post threads because i enjoy to hear to hear your guy's opiinions about stuff, isnt that what forums are for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Back in 94 I was joining a band and had to take a long road trip. I was given a cassette of SRV to study for when I got back. I didn't get it then, anymore than I do now. He was a fine player. But that's about it. I didn't have a problem learning the songs, nor do thousands of other gigging pickers. I know several local guys who were never "discovered" that I'd rather watch pick than Stevie. But I mean, that goes for Page too. I'd rather watch Chet Atkins, Steve Morse, or Ritchie Blackmore than Stevie or Jimmy. But hey, that's just me. Murph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rybass Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 -me as a guitarist, idk where that statement came from, but let me tell you that i am as humble as they come, and i am a "student" of the guitar, i will leave it @ that I'm not really puffed up. It's you opinion and your thread. If you are humble then great but I don't think a humble guitarist would post a thread about how they think a highly regarded other guitarist sucks. -second, i havent said that my opinion is better then anyone else's, idk where this came from either I don't see where I said you think your opinion is better than anyones either. I'm referring to the inexperience reflected by someone who can talk smack about a highly skilled guitarist b/c they don't think what the guy was doing was talent or skill or true feeling. I dare to say 99.9% of the people on this forum have very little grasp on the blues or the feeling and experience that is required to truly play the blues. I def don't. Sorry if that offended lead gits, I'm a backing section of rhythm. I'm also referring to the word "fact" was thrown in when anything you say about what you like and what you think is by classification an opinion. I think that was oilpit. -third, yes i have watched page, i have more bootleggs then i do spots in my dvd holder, page live as a guitar player is a work of art, sloppy-yes. But to be able to control, and manipulate the guitar the way page did, listen to the sounds, the scales, the double stops, the improv, i KNOW page isnt one of the most talented guitarists ever...... Sloppy =/= control. -idk y we started talking about hendrix Also I believe someone was referring to a past post of yours where you stated that you thought Jimi was an overrated guitarist. I believe they were pointing out in a round about way that you tend to like to start dramatic threads. And I think Double Trouble were and are one of the best rhythm sections in blues. Tommy Shannon is one hell of a bassist as was Noel Redding and Billy Cox. Keyword: think. I've said it before and I'll run by it again. I think you post your first thoughts without thinking about it and sometimes it comes off in a manner I don't think you meant. I think that's why your posts tend to cause more drama. IMO <~~safety net Oh and this place auto spell checks just to let everyone know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Look, all these strong opinions of, so-and-so is the best and so-and-so sucked, is usually posted by the youngsters. That kind of stuff is important to them. As you grow up, you realise that things are not as simple as, "this sucks.. that rules". I'm not flaming anyone, but I think I've seen the same person recently say that Ace Freely was the worst and SRV the most over rated among other postings. All I know is, both of those two can play better than I ever will. And then Jimi? That guy could play better in his sleep than most people ever will. It wasn't a shred style though. He came from a time before anal guitarists practiced playing scales for hours on end. He just played naturally. Rythym, lead and vocals all at the same time blended together. Almost any professional player you can think of, has the highest regard for Jimi Hendrix. But I'm sure some teenage kid on a forum knows more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Ahhh, youth... tearing down the icons is an important part of growing up. Fun to watch too! ;) Tell ya what - since SRV is so overrated, why don't you youngsters throw some video up of you nailing his cover of Little Wing perfectly (or perhaps bettering it). That'll take care of your Hendrix is overrated idea too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I was a classically trained pianist who got heavy into jazz and I played guitar starting at 13 because I also liked rock and the blues. In my youth my jazz solos consisted of various modal runs without any real structure or feeling. My jazz teacher once told me something that didn't click until later for me. He said it's not the notes you play that are important it's the notes you don't play. When I was 18 I got to see SRV play (stood about 5 feet from him). He just blew me away. SRV was master of tension and release. He could bring the fire when needed (check out Rude Mood) and also had a great sense of music theory without knowing what he was playing from a technical point of view (check out Stang's Swang). As Buddy Guy once stated about SRV "the guy was never lost." I don't debate who is the best or who stinks. In my opinion one should be able to gain something from every guitar player. "A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thelonious Monk was a highly thought of jazz piano player, many of his licks where based around timing, when he played was more important then what he played, in this video, you may notice during the solo, there is never really any true rest during the solo, or as i call it, a chance for the note to "breathe" but the tone is cool, the behind the head is cool, but this video shows what i dont like about srv here is a video that is another good example of what im talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC71fFdCsbk during the minute or so, there is alot of notes, lots of fine playing, but imo, there is too much, there is no chance or the note to really ring out and "breathe" this is a good version i think, between the master, and the student Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlekenny Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Idk, I like and respect SRV a lot and it's a shame he died so early but I can see what jesse is saying. Still think he's a kick *** guitarist and frontman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 my list of guys who played with soul and emotion danny kirwan (playing with fleetwood mac) jimi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOrpuw1J9Og billy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLJsm8ohOg joe walsh imo, you can tell a great guitarist because when they play your toes curl up, you kinda stop breathing when you listen to them, its like you dont even blink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thelonious Monk was a highly thought of jazz piano player' date=' many of his licks where based around timing, when he played was more important then what he played [/quote'] Yeah, like the time my dad paid good money to see him in Chicago... Monk came out, sat down at the piano, raised his hand high in the air, played one note and left the bar! Great show. That note definitely had a lot of time to breathe. One has to be careful about comparing an artist's live and studio work, I think. You show a clip of SRV and Double Trouble hitting the stage for their first number, and you criticize them for playing a fast blues that doesn't have a lot of room to breathe? I'm guessing you've never played in a bar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What... doesn't everybody open a bar gig with November Rain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 cant say anything about the chicago show, cuz idk live and studio, yes they are two different things, but sometimes the slowest solos come in the fastest songs, while the fastest solos can be in the slowest songs srv had alot of talent, and had a great attitude and great tone, his problem (imo) is his phrasing listen to slash play a solo, he plays with dynamics, he takes a song to its desitnation srv just runs off licks, go to a bar, or a blues jam, there are lots of people pulling off srv, near chop for chop its the tone thats hard to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Here's some SRV with a little lighter touch and not your typical 12 bar blues. Too bad there's no video, just still pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 i think this is srv's finest song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAG-kX_IlUw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12BarD Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Not that it matters, I go to many Blues Clubs......I cant stay away....... I also enjoy going to OPEN MIC nights to see, watch and listen to people that are just trying to find there "PLACE" in the world of music. I think its great that they do it and have the guts to get up there and play in front of people............. But when they start to cover one of SRV songs.......... thats when I go get another drink or head to the mens room..... I'm sorry, its just not the same and I truly feel that we had yet to see/hear his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sycephant Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 This is freakin' ridiculous. You're saying SRV and Jimi Hendrix are over rated.....wow. And that Slash is better. WOW! I love all three. They all did something that nobody else did before. I can't stand EVH because it's not my style but nobody ever did that before, just like nobody sounded or played like Jimi or SRV. You say you're sick of hearing people emulate him? That's what people do. They play like their heroes and (hopefully) put their own spin on it. That's how it all progresses. There would be no Dragonforce without Elvis, The Beatles, Clapton, Hendrix, Page, SRV, Iommi, EVH or Rhoads. They all influenced eachother to play music like the ones before them and improve it. It's a natural progression. From Jazz to Blues to Rock n Roll to Metal to Thrash and beyond. With each generation comes innovation from motivation. If it didn't, we'd all be playing a string on a stick. It's ok not to like a certain player or band, but to say that they suck and are over rated is just disrespectful. The blues was dead in the 80's and SRV made it happen and made it exciting. Sure, Albert and BB are great, but they don't blow you away with pure emotion like SRV did. SRV got me to pick up a guitar and play and I've been going ever since. I play in an alternative hard rock band that sounds nothing like SRV, but he's my biggest influence. BTW- if any of you are out there covering SRV, do it justice or just don't do it. Little Wing was cool when Hendrix did it and incredible when SRV made it a tribute....don't make it boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 cant say anything about the chicago show' date=' cuz idk live and studio, yes they are two different things, but sometimes the slowest solos come in the fastest songs, while the fastest solos can be in the slowest songs srv had alot of talent, and had a great attitude and great tone, his problem (imo) is his phrasing listen to slash play a solo, he plays with dynamics, he takes a song to its desitnation srv just runs off licks, go to a bar, or a blues jam, there are lots of people pulling off srv, near chop for chop its the tone thats hard to get[/quote'] Hmm, I beg to differ here. Listen to Empty Arms. The solo is actually pretty simple and yes it's got a good bit of his "riffs." But it's how the way they're put together that makes the solo just sing. Who is the best? We're not going to answer this question here. All I ask is that you think what players will be thought of as innovators 50+ years from now. SRV did to the blues what Gershwin did to jazz, what Chuck Berry did to rock, what Geddy Lee did to progressive bass playing, etc. I strongly believe that in 50 years all of these names, including SRV, will still be known and studied. Time tests are the ultimate compliments. By the way, playing fast is not bad as long as it's musical in my opinion, but only a very few number of people can pull it off. Mozart was the master of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Before I say what I really want to say' date=' I haven't heard enough SRV to have a strong opinion. What I really want to say is, I wish that Slash had died, I wish that my last memory of his was use your illusion. The only reason I'm glad he is alive now is it makes a GnR reuinion possible. However, I know that won't happen AND I have to hear Velvet Revolver, which is utter garbage. He would be SO cool if he was dead.[/quote'] You want your last memory of Slash to be an album that came out before you were born?You wish he would die? I wish we could post clips of us playing on here so we can see if some guys can play a guitar as well as their mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 ill have to check out empty arms, but finally a post that is isnt a stupid anti jesse-opinion post however, the names on that list, all big time-ers, but i wouldnt put srv up there, as a blues man he would have to be after the kings, the british blues rockers, and he wouldnt be even @ the top of the texas blues rock ladder for me when it comes to pure blues, i think you gotta go with bb king, after that, it becomes a matter of who you like/what time period you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 myspace.com/jessenoah new song 08, and another take of musical girl are my most recent personal demos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 this is my opinion' date=' and im expecting to get flamed SVR is the most over-rated, lamest chops, guitarist ive ever herd, everyone and their mother always gets off to him! granted he has some killer tone, but i rather listen to dragon force, mega cartoony-gay shredding, or something then SRV, he sqeezes on his guitar and it gives me a headache to watch him and hear him play now up here in sacramento, everyone is a Stevie-ray wanna-be, so perhaps that is why i have grown tired of him, because i remeber when i was little, and how i though SRV was soo cool because he could sqeeze one more note into a run. i hear it all the time, SRV, all this soul and emotion and that is all good and fine, but when it comes to the playing, SRV is just another guitarist, he has good tone yes, but his playing, his songs, hs scales, very boring, repetitive, and just not as good as people make him out to be. disclaimer- im the kinda person who takes musicial inspiration from ANYTHING, for me to not like something, its not because i am in a mood or something, it must be really bad or else i would take something, but srv and his strat neck Pup playing the same 3 chords every time is by far the most annoyng thing i have ever herd[/quote'] Fair enough. But you cannot deny he is the inspiration for countless people, even the masters. I can't play anything like him but it won't stop me trying. You've got too much time on your hands friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_farkas Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 This is freakin' ridiculous. You're saying SRV and Jimi Hendrix are over rated.....wow. And that Slash is better. WOW! I love all three. They all did something that nobody else did before. I can't stand EVH because it's not my style but nobody ever did that before' date=' just like nobody sounded or played like Jimi or SRV. You say you're sick of hearing people emulate him? That's what people do. They play like their heroes and (hopefully) put their own spin on it. That's how it all progresses. There would be no Dragonforce without Elvis, The Beatles, Clapton, Hendrix, Page, SRV, Iommi, EVH or Rhoads. They all influenced eachother to play music like the ones before them and improve it. It's a natural progression. From Jazz to Blues to Rock n Roll to Metal to Thrash and beyond. With each generation comes innovation from motivation. If it didn't, we'd all be playing a string on a stick. It's ok not to like a certain player or band, but to say that they suck and are over rated is just disrespectful. The blues was dead in the 80's and SRV made it happen and made it exciting. Sure, Albert and BB are great, but they don't blow you away with pure emotion like SRV did. SRV got me to pick up a guitar and play and I've been going ever since. I play in an alternative hard rock band that sounds nothing like SRV, but he's my biggest influence. BTW- if any of you are out there covering SRV, do it justice or just don't do it. Little Wing was cool when Hendrix did it and incredible when SRV made it a tribute....don't make it boring.[/quote'] +1 Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_farkas Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 It's a shame that Rolling Stones pole of the top 100 guitarist puts Jimi Hendrix as just number one and SRV as number seven... yup ... over rated indeed. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertjohn Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 his problem (imo) is his phrasinglisten to slash play a solo' date=' he plays with dynamics, he takes a song to its desitnation srv just runs off licks, go to a bar, or a blues jam, there are lots of people pulling off srv, near chop for chop its the tone thats hard to get[/quote'] This is a joke right. Please someone tell me this is a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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