rct Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Does red neck jazz count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Does red neck jazz count? I hope so. It's as close to jazz as I get. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionman Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Les Paul? Joe Pass? Wes? Lenny Breau? Chet? Tal Farlow? Who do you think? Wes Montgomery hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Seriously, there are so many "greats" that my #1 is a reflection of two things: 1., the fact I do any jazz picking as a solo thing and 2., general influence on others. Joe Pass. I have a hunch that were his interests slightly different we'd be mentioning him as a classical guitarist or truly, anything he'd want to play. His fingerboard knowledge, his knowledge of music theory as applied to guitar may be matched but I seriously doubt there are many at his level regardless of genre. Some of his single string work can match about any other jazz, blues or rock lead picker in speed and accuracy. His fingerstyle playing might easily be shifted to anything else. A second "choice" again is more a matter of versatility and example to other pickers and that'd be Chet. Honestly though, I think at the "high end" of all pickers you tend to see those with the greatest understanding of music evolving into jazz or jazz-like playing. In a sense blues is itself a sub-genre of jazz and so is rock. Right now I'm working on some material for a prohibition "jazz age" show, for example, and in ways the difference is largely instrumentation even more than rhythm. Blues as we know it emerged from jazz. I think labels are easy to apply, but tend to say more about the audience adding the labels than the technical side of what's done. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 You're right m. I was listening to Joe play the other night and he is truly gifted. Chet may have been more versatile, but Joe's talent really is unmatched. Bird and Bill Evans are two of his influences who I also really enjoy. My personal preference is for Wes just because I like his music selection and style more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Ziggy... Yup on Montgomery being a "great" although I didn't care much for a bunch of recordings that were awfully "studio-ed" with strings, etc. The thing is that there have been so many really great pickers in "jazz," including guys like BB technically in "blues," that I think at a certain point "favorite" has more to do with one's personal inclinations of style and the stuff we've heard from given pickers. I also find it interesting that such as Roy Buchanan, theoretically a blues/rock/country picker, could make that Tele into a gorgeous jazz machine. I've asked myself why not more jazz that might have offered a wider audience and probably a better living and... the conclusion I came to is that regardless of talent and technical skills, one simply lives the life one lives... m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 rct pointed out a great jazz player in Danny Gatton, and he was so far from a traditional jazz player they had to give him his own genre. Especially today, jazz guitar players need a second job. I also reside at a jazz guitar forum, and even though most of those guys are very skilled, and at least one-third of them are pros, none of them make a living playing full time. Many of them teach. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Bob Conti never gets any mention, he should be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rct Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 rct pointed out a great jazz player in Danny Gatton, and he was so far from a traditional jazz player they had to give him his own genre. Especially today, jazz guitar players need a second job. I also reside at a jazz guitar forum, and even though most of those guys are very skilled, and at least one-third of them are pros, none of them make a living playing full time. Many of them teach. Go figure. Two words: JACK ZUCKER. heh. Long ago in usenet, JAZ had his moments and I would break his jazz stones unmercifully, as did everyone else. He's a great player and great teacher, and he gave it right back to the mouth breathing knuckle draggers that we were. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 As has been noted most Jazz players starve. There are so many great players who are forgotten, Buddy Fite is one, look him up. He was so disgusted with the business of music he gave up and returned to Oregon and worked as a logger and played at local clubs until his death. If you are lucky enough to run across one of his few records grab it.. Also look for him on The Powder River Ramblers... Bobby Broom is another great player who gets no mention; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqxAtZal-IY&feature=related And Jody Fisher....man what a artist! Look for him in clubs around Riverside Ca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Al DiMeola This is more Latin than jazz. I'd rather have Santana. Al seems like a classical player moved onto electric. His vibrato is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Les Paul often rated Django as the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Owl Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This is what I was talking about, and a few others name dropped too. George Benson, playing "Sunny" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMac Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Django, Christian, Burrell. I'm not a fan of fusion so that leaves a lot out for me. Miles Davis may have created it but that was the end for him as far as I'm concerned. The fusion guys seem to have lost the value of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Django, Christian, Burrell. I'm not a fan of fusion so that leaves a lot out for me. Miles Davis may have created it but that was the end for him as far as I'm concerned. The fusion guys seem to have lost the value of space. It's all Jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billybob Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 or..... This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duende Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 This he is quite simply in a league of his own isn't he Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Django, Christian, Burrell. I'm not a fan of fusion so that leaves a lot out for me. Miles Davis may have created it but that was the end for him as far as I'm concerned. The fusion guys seem to have lost the value of space. I'm with you on your guitar player picks, but I think Miles' fusion was some of his best stuff. I'm a huge fan of Wayne Shorter, esp his work with Weather Report, and I think Jaco Pastorius, Joe Zawinul, and Wayne Shorter are/were some of the most talented musicians/writers in the business. I'm curious, JM. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "value of space." Could you explain that to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobB Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I have great respect for Pat Metheny's playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMac Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'm with you on your guitar player picks, but I think Miles' fusion was some of his best stuff. I'm a huge fan of Wayne Shorter, esp his work with Weather Report, and I think Jaco Pastorius, Joe Zawinul, and Wayne Shorter are/were some of the most talented musicians/writers in the business. I'm curious, JM. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "value of space." Could you explain that to me? Simply put, a lack of notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZuWa Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Grant Green is way at the top of my favorite jazzer list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuSkqeZWbPg&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Grant Green is way at the top of my favorite jazzer list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuSkqeZWbPg&feature=related Grant Green +++++++11111111111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 here we go; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbp2FhdKyg&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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