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I think that an epiphone version of a 1972 Gibson ES-325 could be really cool. It's a es-335 style guitar, with a trapeze tailpiece (theres a pic at the bottom of the post). It was equipped with mini-humbuckers with non-adjustable poles, so I don't know if they are true mini-humbuckers or the firebird pickups. Another cool feature is that this guitar is a semi-hollow, but doesn't have a center block that runs through the body, instead it has two shorter pieces of wood running down the center of the guitar, which together, don't run the full length of the guitar. So it's sort of the half-way between semi and full hollow. It's also heavily used by Kings of Leon, so maybe a signature guitar.

 

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J.

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I think it would be great, if Epiphone made this version, of the Sheraton, again.

Much like they did, with the '61 Casino(s). Complete with the older paddle like

headstock, and 5-piece laminated neck. Maybe an "Elitist" (quality, at least) version?

 

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And, as long as we're "dreaming" here, why not in "Natural, Vintage Burst, Black, White, Walnut, and Faded Cherry," finishes?

 

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CB

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I think it would be great, if Epiphone made this version, of the Sheraton, again.

Much like they did, with the '61 Casino(s). Complete with the older paddle like

headstock, and 5-piece laminated neck. Maybe an "Elitist" (quality, at least) version?

 

untitled-1.png

 

 

And, as long as we're "dreaming" here, why not in "Natural, Vintage Burst, Black, White, Walnut, and Faded Cherry," finishes?

 

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CB

 

 

HELL YA! To the guitar, the colours (I'm a big fan of Vintage Burst and Walnut), and USA pickups would be key. The one alteration I would make to make it 'perfect' would be a bigsby, made possible by the fact that the bigsby was the orginal vibrato option, before transitioning into the epiphone tremotone. As non vibrato tail piece options I would like to see a stop bar tailpiece, like done with the 1964 John Lee Hooker sheraton II, a reissue of a 1964 sheraton. Maybe even a trapieze tailpiece would be cool. But ya that is an amazing indea CB, I'd buy one for sure.

 

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HELL YA! To the guitar, the colours (I'm a big fan of Vintage Burst and Walnut), and USA pickups would be key. The one alteration I would make to make it 'perfect' would be a bigsby, made possible by the fact that the bigsby was the original vibrato option, before transitioning into the epiphone tremotone. As non vibrato tail piece options I would like to see a stop bar tail-piece, like done with the 1964 John Lee Hooker Sheraton II, a reissue of a 1964 Sheraton. Maybe even a trapeze tail piece would be cool. But ya that is an amazing indea CB, I'd buy one for sure.

 

J.

 

 

I agree...the Bigsby, and Stop Bar options would be great. Even a Frequensator, or trapeze, for those that like that type, would be fine.

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Another model I'd like to see them reissue is the recent Zephyr Blues Deluxe, basically Epi's version of a Gibson ES-5--a thin-bodied version would be cool. Although that would be pretty close to the Riviera P93...

 

And REALLY close to the Peerless Wizard. Make that EXACTLY like the Peerless Wizard, which is a thinline ES-5, available with either 3 P-90's or 3 humbuckers.

 

Here's a link: Peerless Wizard

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Or better yet, CHERRY, like the originals (i.e., not "faded"). ](*,)

 

[biggrin] Well, I think that's just what they call "Cherry" now, as often as not.

I didn't mean a seriously faded red ("Cherry") finish...just the same one, that Gibson

uses, on say the Re-issue ES-345, etc. Glossy, and all... [thumbup]

 

But, maybe you're talking about the "Deep Cherry" that the Sheri's

used to have? That would be great, too! [biggrin]

 

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[biggrin] Well, I think that's just what they call "Cherry" now, as often as not.

I didn't mean a seriously faded red ("Cherry") finish...just the same one, that Gibson

uses, on say the Re-issue ES-345, etc. Glossy, and all... [thumbup]

 

But, maybe you're talking about the "Deep Cherry" that the Sheri's

used to have? That would be great, too! [biggrin]

 

CB

CB, here's what I'm saying. I like your idea of bringing back the early Sheraton. I don't care what terms "they" are using for red finishes now. In the spirit of keeping traditions alive- especially in these days of 1001 new models with all kinds of confusing features and numbers (it seems we'll soon have a Gibson semi-hollow model for every number between 300 and 400 [thumbdn] ), I'm just suggesting that we use the term that was used back in the day. There was no "faded cherry" or "deep cherry" designation. What the Sheratons had in the 60's was "cherry". In the catalogs, the red option was "cherry". If we're going to promote a reissue, let's call it "cherry", and not start making up new names for the re-introducion of a vintage finish option! And yes, I like the idea of a deep, rich cherry red color, as opposed to some of the bright, red-orange finishes I've seen in recent years on Gibsons. End of old guy purist rant. :)

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Oooohhh kay! [tongue][biggrin]

As long as you understand/remember, that even back then, they varied a bit...

from lighter to darker. Much like the SG's did, and still do.

Plus, the red dyes/paint pigments, back then, faded rather quickly,

in certain conditions. So, even originals, now, that might have started out

darker and/or richer in color, will now be more washed out, or even more

of a brown-honey color.

 

CB

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CB, I've been at this for a long time. I'm well aware that the original finishes varied somewhat in actual color, and that they can fade over time. That's really got nothing to do with my point, which is simply about using the original terminology in describing the original guitar's features. Besides, if people promote a reissue with a "faded" cherry finish, I'd say that sends the wrong message about what you want the finish to look like. You're also making some people think that the originals were referred to that way.

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Jim... [biggrin] I don't care, what you/they call it..."Cherry, Faded Cherry, Bright Cherry, Antique Faded Cherry, etc.

All I want them to do, is bring back the '61-62 era Sheraton, in the "Cherry" color option. [biggrin] I grew up,

playing '50's and 60's Gibson and Epiphone ES models! They were ALL what Gibson (Now) calls "Faded,

or Antique Faded Cherry," in color. Even the SG's were more that color. They got darker, in the later

'60's (67-68...on), but the early ones, were more like the better CS reissues. I freely admit, that

some of the current VOS SG's are a bit too "orange" looking...as they would get, after years of use. That

may be Gibson's intention, I don't know. But the ES, and Epi semi's, that had the red finishes, back

then, were the more transparent red. Some of the non-historic ES-335's are actually not all that accurate,

to the '50/'60's variety, in color. But most of the CS versions, are. They vary, of course...they did back then,

as we've both acknowledged.

 

But, call it, whatever you want to...whatever makes it "work," for you! [thumbup][biggrin]

 

CB

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I agree...the Bigsby, and Stop Bar options would be great. Even a Frequensator, or trapeze, for those that like that type, would be fine.

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CB

 

I really like the idea of a 1960-1961 sheraton reissue, like jddc_115 said USA pickups would be awesome, unlike jddc_115 said I wouldn't shell out $800-$850 (how much the 1961 casino reissue cost) for a guitar with a frequensator tailpeice or epiphone tremotone. However a guitar with a bigsby or stop bar tail piece and USA pickups would deffinately find its way into my stable. Great idea for a guitar CB, and I really like your way and rational behind your crucial improvements jddc_115.

 

Thanks,

Tim

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I really like the idea of a 1960-1961 sheraton reissue, like jddc_115 said USA pickups would be awesome, unlike jddc_115 said I wouldn't shell out $800-$850 (how much the 1961 casino reissue cost) for a guitar with a frequensator tailpeice or epiphone tremotone. However a guitar with a bigsby or stop bar tail piece and USA pickups would deffinately find its way into my stable. Great idea for a guitar CB, and I really like your way and rational behind your crucial improvements jddc_115.

 

Thanks,

Tim

 

Thanks Tim, glad you like my ideas but the credit really belongs to CB for coming up with a great viable concept that I only suggested could benefit from a few tweaks.

 

J.

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