gotomsdos Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Hi, old buddies here. Sorry, if this thread also annoys somebody, ignore please. I find another issue with my new J45 TV which doesn't seem to have a compensated saddle, just kind of vintage saddle. I tune it to pitch. I hear kind of outstanding disharmony when I play chord A. So I try to find it out what's wrong, find that G (string 3) note at fret 4 doesn't match open B (string 2)note. It is on average around 7.0 lower than B. I use AP tuner, a computer softhare, and a clip electronic tuner, about the similar result. Other string notes don't match either, but the differences between are on average around 3.0, doesn't seem to be as obvious as G--B. I see its saddle line is also kind of slope from bridge side, just like that of My 5 STAR J35, but My J35 basically has inter-string note mismatch at around 3, not big issue. And yours ? Do you use a compensated saddle to improve intonation ? I know the brand Bob Colosi, if you got a saddle exactly for J45 TV from him, and it works good on J45 TV, It'd be great, please let me know what gauge saddle I should buy from him.. (I wouldn't like to give up the least hope with the new J45 TV, I wouldn't like to easily say return it (I said the reason before) unless we've checked it out it's indeed a problem guitar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedzep Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 For what it's worth, I have a '57 that was set up by my guy with the compensated saddle as soon as he got his hands on it, and is always dead on. He must have noticed something and swapped out the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffchris Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Hi, old buddies here. Sorry, if this thread also annoys somebody, ignore please. I find another issue with my new J45 TV which doesn't seem to have a compensated saddle, just kind of vintage saddle, when tuned to pitch, G (string 3) note at fret 4 doesn't match open B (string 2)note. It is on average around 7.0 % lower than B. I use AP tuner, a computer softhare, and a clip electronic tuner, about the similar result). Other string notes don't match either, but the differences between are on average around 3.0 %, doesn't seem to be as obvious as G--B. I see its saddle line is also kind of slope from bridge side, but very little, unlike that of My 5 STAR J35 which has a more slope saddle line. My J35 basically has inter-string note matches. And yours ? Do you use a compensated saddle to improve intonation ? I know the brand Bob Colosi, if you got a saddle exactly for J45 TV from him, and it works good on J45 TV, It'd be great, please let me know what gauge saddle I should buy from him.. (I wouldn't like to give up the least hope with the new J45 TV, I wouldn't like to easily say return it (I said the reason before) unless we've checked it out it's indeed a problem guitar.) Hey Goto, I have read your previous posts on why you would not return it and they are all valid points. The time issue can be over come, the shipping, well i would ask the seller to cover that( they want a guitar sold, not sent back), the tax issues well only you know how much they are and for me if it was 15% or what ever, I would be inclined to ring the seller discus your situation and see if they have any guitars in stock that will tick all the boxes, i.e, made properly, lol. I know that was probably the last comment you wanted to read, but for me it just seems a no brainer. About the saddles, my J45 came with a compensated saddle as standard(app), although it's not a j45tv? So this proberly is no help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GoTo, Methinks thou art a Troll and not even a Chinese one at that! You joined this Forum several weeks ago, inveseted much time in creating a 'legend' as a true Gibson Acoustic lover. Reported that you bought this J45, and have posted hundreds of comments since then fanning the flames questioning the quality of siad guitar. You have asked hundreds of very technical questions, revealing some level of insider knowledge or sophistication above what one would expect of a Chinese lad with no access to either high end guitar stores or luthiers. So, don't tell us that we don't have to read your interminable posts if they offend us. Don't post them and that will solve the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchristo Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GOTO, with the high nut and action, relief not correct, the intonation will not be correct. when you get the guitar "setup" the intonation will be correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 GOTO, with the high nut and action, relief not correct, the intonation will not be correct. when you get the guitar "setup" the intonation will be correct Dave, You are feeding the Troll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchie69 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Dave, You are feeding the Troll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 GOTO, with the high nut and action, relief not correct, the intonation will not be correct. when you get the guitar "setup" the intonation will be correct O I C, probably you're right. I know a little of the relationship. But what I wonder is how come the mismatch of G to B is so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchristo Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 some frequencies are just more obvious to the ear than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morkolo Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 It could be the nut was cut improperly as well but you really can't tell until you fix the neck relief on the guitar like what dchristo suggested, all other measurements you make before that are in my opinion useless. As for getting a compensated saddle made it's not hard to do, I've cut my own out of bone... you just have to be patient and precise. Surely you must know someone who can guide you through setting up your guitar in person since there's only so much that a person can help you over the internet.. it could be a relatively easy fix. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 GoTo, Methinks thou art a Troll Yep, I'm Polyphemus. ...a 'legend' as a true Gibson Acoustic lover Oh, I may act as a tiring legend. ...Reported that you bought this J45, Oh, plus a Ren's 5 ***** J35 as well, you forgot. and have posted hundreds of comments since then fanning the flames questioning the quality of siad guitar. You have asked hundreds of very technical questions, Yeah, Polyphemus ate hundreds of... with no access to either high end guitar stores or luthiers. Yes, I'm in a capsule. So, don't tell us that we don't have to read your interminable posts if they offend us. Don't post them and that will solve the problem. Oh, I'm a learner, need your help for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 its just a sad waste of life no need to spend every day bungee jumping or climbing everest, but when your times up your gonna regret all this waste of precious time very sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guth Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Dude, if I didn't know any better, I'd almost think you were planning on reproducing these things for some odd reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I solved my intonation problems with a Shultz B-1 Intonator purchased from Elderly Instruments. It just attaches on the lower bout between the anvil and the strirrup. Just be careful if you have Bob Colosi bridge pins as there have been some cases of galvanic reactions with the Intonator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I solved my intonation problems with a Shultz B-1 Intonator purchased from Elderly Instruments. It just attaches on the lower bout between the anvil and the strirrup. Just be careful if you have Bob Colosi bridge pins as there have been some cases of galvanic reactions with the Intonator. I've switched to Guardsman String polish, and found that helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flatbaroque Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I've switched to Guardsman String polish, and found that helped. Yes Guardman works well, but just use " Oh It's Shiny" grade and not "WoW That's Bright" grade which can induce a certain sharpness on the B string, especially when the moon is holding water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson101 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 GoTo, Methinks thou art a Troll and not even a Chinese one at that! You joined this Forum several weeks ago, inveseted much time in creating a 'legend' as a true Gibson Acoustic lover. Reported that you bought this J45, and have posted hundreds of comments since then fanning the flames questioning the quality of siad guitar. You have asked hundreds of very technical questions, revealing some level of insider knowledge or sophistication above what one would expect of a Chinese lad with no access to either high end guitar stores or luthiers. I think you are dead on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 To get rid of nut factor, I tried 2 capos at fret 1, retuned it to pitch. But maximal mismatch moves with 2 capos. Data here with G7 capo at fret 1: String 3 at fret 4 is around +10 ! (-7 without capo !) String 4 at fret 5 is around +6 other strings at fret 5 are around 3 (acceptable). Data here with Paige capo at fret 1: String 6 at fret 5 is around +10 ! String 3 at fret 4 is around -2 (-7 without capo !) other strings at fret 5 are around 3-5 Mismatch moves, what's wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 To get rid of nut factor, I tried 2 capos at fret 1, retuned it to pitch. But maximal mismatch moves with 2 capos. Data here with G7 capo at fret 1: String 3 at fret 4 is around +10% ! (-7% without capo !) String 4 at fret 5 is around +6% other strings at fret 5 are around 3% (acceptable). Data here with Paige capo at fret 1: String 6 at fret 5 is around +10% ! String 3 at fret 4 is around -2% (-7% without capo !) other strings at fret 5 are around 3-5% Mismatch moves, what's wrong ? its faulty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchristo Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I dont understand the % thing.....fix the string height at the nut, adjust truss rod to proper relief, adjust saddle to preferred action height, then play till the wheels fall off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 I dont understand the % thing.....fix the string height at the nut, adjust truss rod to proper relief, adjust saddle to preferred action height, then play till the wheels fall off Oh, Sorry I made a mistake. no %. just the digit. I'll correct them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisA83 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 To get rid of nut factor, I tried 2 capos at fret 1, retuned it to pitch. But maximal mismatch moves with 2 capos. Data here with G7 capo at fret 1: String 3 at fret 4 is around +10 ! (-7 without capo !) String 4 at fret 5 is around +6 other strings at fret 5 are around 3 (acceptable). Data here with Paige capo at fret 1: String 6 at fret 5 is around +10 ! String 3 at fret 4 is around -2 (-7 without capo !) other strings at fret 5 are around 3-5 Mismatch moves, what's wrong ? wut? How's your J-35? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 wut? How's your J-35? how would he know? i think he shouldve spent his money on a theodolite or a chemistry set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotomsdos Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 How's your J-35? I said in my #1 post, it has no big issue with intonation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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