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Regardless of how we got there:

 

I kinda didn't understand or get "King Crimson" before this thread. Now, I feel like I do.

 

I don't have a desire to buy an album or seek more, but I now understand why they are looked up to...I feel like I know what to appreciate about them. I see the quality and the talent.

 

This thread has served a purpose.

 

Hopefully, not of the 'argueing' (for lack of a better term) is taken personal. After all, we ARE all guitar players, right?

 

As a guitar player, we should assume we have thicker skulls than most. Sometimes, we need to have some stuff beat into us.

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I saw them a number of times.

They blew me away in 1973 - louder than Concorde - and again in 1980 with the reformed, rejuvenated band. No-one expected that.

 

However I concede they are not funky, soulful or bluesy in the conventional sense and that is partly the point.

 

Bruford's autobiography reflects the relentlessly intellectual mindset and has some amazing insights. Great story about Tony Levin and Al DiMeola. Levin is a monstrously good musician who doesn't stand still.

 

The albums I always kept are 'Starless and Bible Black', 'Red', and 'Discipline'. I also have the 'Absent Lovers' set and could recommend 'Great Deceiver' which is the Bruford/Wetton band live. 'Lizard' and 'Islands' also have much to offer but do sound dated.

 

And they are very popular in Argentina apparently...fax n' info.

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Bingo! We Have A Winner!

 

And, JFYI (and future reference), your reception here would, probably, have been far warmer and friendlier had you not, in your original post, used these phrases;

 

"sub par"

"real boring"

"nothing much happens"

"a singer that's pretty bad"

"what's the big screamin' deal"

"I've never heard/seen one thing he did that impressed me"

"it's mind boggling to me that Bruford would leave Yes...to join King Crimson"

"convince me that they're even decent"

"it's just been a snore fest"

 

Quite an achievement in a mere four lines of text.

 

As for this;

" I obviously love a huge amount of music, and I have a rather encyclopedic knowledge of most rock based genres and bands"

 

Yup. Obviously.

 

Well, Bully For You! and your vast, sorry, I meant to type your 'rather encyclopedic knowledge' of most rock based genres and bands.

Pippy, you've been condescending from the word go and some your quotes from my OP are taken out of context. I do stand by the fact that it is mind boggling that Bruford, let a lone ANYONE would leave Yes after CTTE. I CAN on the other hand understand Wakeman leaving after Tale from Topographic Oceans, however, although his attempt to put his 6 wives of Henry the VIII on ice, was perhaps a misstep for him. But you miss the point of the entire post by even bringing it up. And what do you care if I send myself off on a fruitless journey to try and appreciate something that I might not end up fully appreciating? And why "Yup, obviously" to my remark that I have a rather encyclopedic knowledge of most rock genres? This isn't a pissing contest, but it just seems that of course you're going to try and hit me with a low blow, and I made it oh so easy for you. To be honest I make music documentaries seen by millions of people for a living, I am an avid consumer of all things music and a musician myself, so it MIGHT make sense that maybe I just might know quite a bit more than a lot of people about music, musicians, and a bunch of other music related esoterica. But I'm sure you'll want to roll your emoticon eyes at that too. Well have at it, sir. And thanks to STEIN for finding some value in this thread, I have found it valuable despite the posts of some.

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Ya know the distance between Yes and King Crimson just doesn't seem so far to me.

If you listen to say Yes's Relayer and then hop to Crimson's Starless and Bible Black,

or Red (Yes, I purposely picked albums from the same year) the similarities outnumber

the differences in my humble (and perhaps not encyclopedic) opinion.

 

You decide...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHPD8oKtCU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ursxwwfAGsc

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Ya know the distance between Yes and King Crimson just doesn't seem so far to me.

If you listen to say Yes's Relayer and then hop to Crimson's Starless and Bible Black,

or Red (Yes, I purposely picked albums from the same year) the similarities outnumber

the differences in my humble (and perhaps not encyclopedic) opinion.

 

You decide...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHPD8oKtCU

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ursxwwfAGsc

 

Well Gates is arguably the most complex Yes piece they ever did, and this CK example is a lot simpler, however, this might the first KC song I really could get into. Pretty great. Thanks for posting. I'll check out this whole album.

Thanks!

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I've been a Crimson fan since '69. What you need to understand is that the name belongs to Robert Fripp now. KC is whatever he says they are. To be honest, I have not enjoyed their last few releases but from what I understand, making recorded music is no longer his goal (if it ever was, I don't really know). He is a PERFORMANCE ARTIST first and foremost.

 

Also, Crimson has had a number of very different periods:

 

1st 2 albums are similar (but the 1st ITCOTCK is a classic you must hear)

3rd LP Lizard - very different - horns, jazzy but deranged (in an really good way)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBfCzhYbWBk&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=AL94UKMTqg-9BKBTuL5mwe33ua6tUimfy9

 

Then the Boz Burell years, more minimalist IMHO, "Ladies of the Road", kind of a raunchy tale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKp5FVslG0

 

Then the John Wetton/Bill Bruford years - I saw them in Central Park NYC during these years, loved this period.

 

Starless, One More Red Nightmare, Fallen Angel, Book of Saturday, Exiles, Easy Money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9IQnDRYIYU

Mel Collins on sax - none better!

 

Then the Adria Belew/Tony Levin period - Saw them twice in the early 80's

Elephant Talk, Frame by Frame, Two Hands, Three of a Perfect pair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3DppaXz4-o

 

After this I began to lose track Belew and Levin still play with Fripp I think but the music has become...less accessible and more performance based. I've read Fripp say it only becomes a "song" if Belew writes some lyrics.

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King Crimson was meant to be EXPERIENCED, with the aid of chemicals of course.

 

Yeah, you had to be there (in the late '60s/early '70s) and be, if not aided by chemicals, at least "herbalized".

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What you hear on the King Crimson, "Court Of The Crimson King" album, was how they performed it live. 45 Records were on the way out back then. The LP's were going for longer songs that were more suited for FM radio. Am top 40 stations were on the way out also.

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Yeah, you had to be there (in the late '60s/early '70s) and be, if not aided by chemicals, at least "herbalized".

 

Hey Mr. Natural, it's been awhile since I seen a post of yours. Glad to see you back!!

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King Crimson IMO occupy that parallel universe only reserved for the courageous and gifted...

 

Disregard for convention and popularity...often difficult to 'get', at least initially

 

Cerebral and challenging....from whence much great music comes

 

Interesting to compare to

 

Frank Zappa....Captain Beefheart...

 

V

 

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I've always loved KC understanding that many, looking for instant gratification in a 4 minute pop song would be lost trying to get them.

 

That being said I'd have never guessed we'd get 4 pages on them in this forum.

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