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The Evolution of the TV


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The absolutely stunning new custom TV J200 Jannusguy introduced to us here a few days ago got me to thinking. I've got an SJ200 built in 2004, before Gibson introduced the TV. But, when I compare it to my 2010 H'bird TV, it seems there are lots of similarities. The tuners for example are the same.

Does anyone know how far off the "pre-True Vintage" guitars were from the TVs now? The standard H'bird of today is clearly different. So, another way of asking the question - when Gibson created the TV specs, did they slightly upgrade the existing model to create the TV and slightly downgrade it to create the standard?? If this isn't in someones RAM memory - a link would help or a nudge in some direction on the internet. Tnx.

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It's a good question and food for thought. Was there a trail towards the TV models, when did it start and how did it develop (especially inside the box).

 

Been wondering and searching a bit myself. F.x. there's 3 clues on the Bay as we speak. One of them with the little - not so lucky – emblem/decal on the back of the headstock. Tempting guitars all of them though. To be honest, I believe very few non-Bozeman-people have expert-knowledge on this -

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/...4#ht_500wt_1361

 

http://www.ebay.com/...f#ht_500wt_1127

 

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_2286wt_1344

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I believe speaking of the J200TV comes with a Red Spruce top, so that would be one upgrade cost. Also, I suspect (nothing to do with the build difference) that a large portion of the cost is also the case that the TV lines come with. Also I believe that the TV's have the VOS finish, also upgrade I think. I couldn't tell you if the bracing is different between lets say a mid 90's J200 and a 08' - present J200TV.

 

Very good question.. I'd like to hear some of our "in the know" folks chime in and lets get the scoop.

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It's a good question and food for thought. Was there a trail towards the TV models, when did it start and how did it develop (especially inside the box).

 

Been wondering and searching a bit myself. F.x. there's 3 clues on the Bay as we speak. One of them with the little - not so lucky – emblem/decal on the back of the headstock. Tempting guitars all of them though. To be honest, I believe very few non-Bozeman-people have expert-knowledge on this -

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/...4#ht_500wt_1361

 

http://www.ebay.com/...f#ht_500wt_1127

 

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_2286wt_1344

 

Interesting the seller on #1 listed as a "Vintage Hummingbird". The orange label clearly states "Hummingbird" only and the presence of electronics also confirms it is not a TRUE Vintage. Similarly seller #2 refers to his as an "Authentic '60s re-issue limited run Hummingbird" but the build date and the orange label indicate it is not a True Vintage. Possibly the sellers are trying to add mud to the water to find a less knowledgeable buyer who will think he is getting something closer to the real deal TV.

I'd still love to know at what point in the production runs, did the specs change and in what direction from the 'standard' SJ200, H'bird and J45. Since these "Pre-TV" standards were being built during the "Golden Age of Ren" I wonder if they were actually closer to being TVs than standards, based on current definitions.

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Let's be fair – that amberburst 90's Bird only said Vintage Sunburst. I'd like to know the scale on that one.

 

The second leaves me more doubtful than you. It definitely looks a lot like a TV from here. The hue, the engraved p-guard, the tulips even the case. Could it be a preliminary attempt. . .

 

#3 is an interesting hybrid also. I'm sure you notice the adjustable saddle (and the tulips'n'guard). Would Bozeman bring such a creature to life without making an inside touch as well. I have the feeling this one has lesser-mass braces. (Btw. the list says 25.5 scale length - I can hardly believe it).

 

Speculations on a sunny Friday – Now the experts must dial in.

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