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Hummingbird Pro Scale 24 7/8 or 25 1/2 ???

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Hello everybody! I´m a guitar player from Germany and really like your Forum! I suppose here are the specialists to my question...

I recently aquired a Hummingbird Pro (built in March 2012). The Gibson Homepage and all of the dealers say, that this guitar features a 25 1/2 " scale (645 mm).

But after i measured my guitar i found that the scale is 24 7/8" (630 mm)!

Since they said that the factory strings are 0.11 i thought, that the loose string tension while testing at the shop was a string problem.

But know i know, it´s the short scale...

 

Ist there a mistake on the Gibson homepage? Specs there say, this guitar comes with 25 1/2" Scale.

Or was there a chance in the guitar design?

 

Thanks in advance for your enlighting comments [blink] !!!

 

Jogo.

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first, welcome to the forum

I dont have a Hummingbird Pro, but everywhere I look it says 25 1/2. I cant find any thing different

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But know i know, it´s the short scale...

How exactly did you measure? A short scale should be about 312mm from nut to 12th fret, while a long scale should be about 324mm. (If you're trying to measure from the nut to the saddle, well ... don't. You can't get anything meaningful that way.)

 

-- Bob R

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I think i´ve measured very correctly...

It´s exactly 630 mm from nut to saddle.

 

By the way it´s not my only acoustic.

(SJ 200, Martin J-1, Framus FD 30 SFC).

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I have a 2009 HummingBird pro and I have two Standard HummingBirds. There is a big difference in sound and feel. My pro is 25.5" scale my Hummers are 24 3/4".

 

If you get the opportunity to play a short scale Gibson, then play a a long scale (25.5") you will feel and hear the difference. BTW my pro has 11s on it and plays very well and has that nice Gibson "tone".

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My question is not about tone or feel, i really like the tone and even the feel of my HumPro.

(Even if due to the short scale it´s just not as good for live use as i´ve thought. Im a heavy strummer live...)

 

It´s just about if there have been any changes in the guitar design, because my guitar is def. a 24.9 short scale, but Gibson Specs say it should be a 25.5 long scale.

Or did i get some odd special instrument?

 

Did anybody out there ever measure the scale of their HumPros? Results?

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I think i´ve measured very correctly...

It´s exactly 630 mm from nut to saddle.

As I said before, this is not the correct way to measure scale length. The correct way to determine scale length is to measure from nut to 12th fret and double it.

 

-- Bob R

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It is either a 24 3/4 scale or 25 1/5 scale. There is no 24 7/8 or 24.9 scale.

 

On the Gibson site, it does list the HB Pro as a Guitar Center exclusive, but it could be that they also make it for other dealers in a more "traditional" Gibson scale of 24 3/4?

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Specs on gibson.com regularly suck, like stating with many guitars they are strung with 11s while they put on 12s.

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I think i tend to agree to you gijs...!

The specs they write on the gibson.com site are simply wrong.

No long scale and no 11s put on...

 

I find it a little sad if you cant rely on this.

As i mentioned, while testplaying the guitar i thought the loose string feeling is due to the (supposed) 11s, and i never would have thought about to put out my ruler and measure the scale in the shop.

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I think i tend to agree to you gijs...!

The specs they write on the gibson.com site are simply wrong.

No long scale and no 11s put on...

 

I find it a little sad if you cant rely on this.

As i mentioned, while testplaying the guitar i thought the loose string feeling is due to the (supposed) 11s, and i never would have thought about to put out my ruler and measure the scale in the shop.

 

JoGo,

 

With time and experience you will be able to determine if a guitar is short scale or long scale just by playing the instrument. My fingers immediately give me feedback. I find 25 1/2" scale takes a wee bit more effort to play. I am talking about true "Dreadnaughts".

 

My pro took about a week to start opening up after new strings. The pros really need to be played alot to loosen em up. Regarding strumming, my pro likes a soft touch either using a pick or fingers.

 

My standard 2011 HummingBird likes to be strummed soft, medium or hard. Not the pro. The pro is a great finger picker.

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If you are buying a guitar with the price tag of a Gibson, you shouldn't be buying off of a group of specs on a piece of paper or a computer screen. You should be buying the instrument based on what it does in your hands, and how it sounds as an instrument.

 

If it isn't the performance that matters, than neither should the specs.

 

If you are trying to "order" one thing and receive another, that is a different issue.

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If you are buying a guitar with the price tag of a Gibson, you shouldn't be buying off of a group of specs on a piece of paper or a computer screen.

 

I totally agree, but at the same time if a company is selling a guitar with the price tag of a Gibson you expect they have things such as specs right on their site/brochures/whatever. To me it still feels silly that although I emailed Gibson about the incorrect string specs 1 year ago, they still have it listed incorrect.

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@gijs:

Thank you Buddy!

 

@Markini:

I´m playing guitar for almost 40 years now, gig almost every weekend and own about 15 Guitars and Basses.

I think i know a little about guitars.

Normally i can tell a short from a long scale.

But still i think it´s possible to mix up the scale length, esp. if you dont know what strings are on and you have no ruler or guitar to compare...

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Jogo,

 

No offense intended. All I can say is I have two Standard Hummingbirds and the Hummingbird Pro. My Pro is 25.5" scale my Hummers are 24 3/4".

 

Its possible you may have a totally different scale on your Pro. BTW I really like the Pro, has a nice mid range projection and when played with the standard Hummingbirds, both guitars really compliment each other.

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My Hum Pro ist definitely a short sacale (630mm).

It´s not perfect for my heavy strumming live use BUT:

The sound you get when you pick or strum it soft til medium is really outstanding.

So i have to keep it forever and have another good excuse for buying the next one... \:D/

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Scale length is the length of the string from nut to saddle. No matter how you measure. (Due to the saddle position there´s of course a little difference between E an e string...). Doubling the length from nut to 12th fret, or from saddle to 12th fret should give you the same result. If not, there is seriously something wrong with your axe...

My HumPro ist exactly 630 mm from the nut to the middle of the saddle.

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Same here

.

Measuring from middle of nut, not the front of nut as stated on the website, puts me at 25 1/2".

 

Not being skilled in the luthier trade, not sure if my Pro is a to-spec build or not...can't imagine it not being, but measurements are not quite adding up as per the how-to on stewmac. Anyone more skilled than I...I'm all ears [biggrin]

 

Owner of a 2009 Bird pro

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Measuring from nut to middle of the 12th position fret wire itself, gets me close, but still an 1/8" shy of 25 1/2" scale length. ...

That's the right measurement -- take another look at the StewMac site, and you'll see it says to measure to the center of the fret (where the fret = the wire). I think the slight discrepancy is due to your choice of measuring device: a common yardstick can easily be 1/16" off at 12-1/4".

 

I'm getting a 24 7/8" to the front of the bridge

Utterly irrelevant.

 

Your guitar is standard Gibson long-scale, pure and simple.

 

-- Bob R

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