ninety1vee Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=2871409 and i quote "This is not original Gisbson made in USA, it is a brand new Gibson guitar fitting in china,with the same tamber as authentic US Gibson guitar."](*,)
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 in some countries, all they eat is vomit
RudyH Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim. There are many, many things made in China that were formerly made in the US, and quality is as good as or better than the US product. Cost is 1/4 to 1/3 the US product to make, and that includes delivering the finished product to the company's door. These Chinese guitars may not be real Gibsons, but only a true test will verify whether they are functionally as good a Gibson. They very well may be.
Cruznolfart Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim. There are many' date=' many things made in China that were formerly made in the US, and quality is as good as or better than the US product. Cost is 1/4 to 1/3 the US product to make, and that includes delivering the finished product to the company's door. These Chinese guitars may not be real Gibsons, but only a true test will verify whether they are functionally as good a Gibson. They very well may be.[/quote'] Just a couple observations of my own, Rudy; there is the claim, on the headstock of the guitar, that it is both a Gibson and made in the USA, the disclaimer on the web page notwithstanding. When an unsuspecting, inexperienced person buys one of these, expecting to get a genuine Gibson, THAT is the problem with the outrageous claim. No matter how good the Chinese instrument might be, it is NOT a Gibson. The other thing is that it's probably pretty doubtful we'll be seeing many favorable reviews of counterfeit Gibsons. I wouldn't expect a lot of pickers to admit they'd thought they were getting a Gibby for 10 cents on the dollar, only to find out they'd been swindled..".but, hey, it's really not a bad little guitar for what I paid for it." If they make good instruments that will stand on their own, let them introduce their own marquee. As long as they're claiming to be something they're not, I don't give a rat's backside HOW good they are.
myspace.com/jessenoah Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim. There are many' date=' many things made in China that were formerly made in the US, and quality is as good as or better than the US product. Cost is 1/4 to 1/3 the US product to make, and that includes delivering the finished product to the company's door. These Chinese guitars may not be real Gibsons, but only a true test will verify whether they are functionally as good a Gibson. They very well may be.[/quote'] you may find a "good for the price" guitar but you wont find a "good" guitar
rmngretsch14 Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 No, that guitars good for something--if you happen to be a low budget Pete Townsend impersonator, I'm sure it will smash neatly, and it won't even send shivers down your spine since its a fake
RudyH Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 CruznOlFart: I didn't see the pictures that said Gibson on it right away. I agree it's utterly wrong and unethical to misrepresent a product like that. My only concern is that if it's of decent quality, then it may make sense for the consumer. For example, my guitar is a (real) ES335 and I like it because it has a wonderful quality to the way it plays through a clean amp. But my son likes music that really doesn't benefit from that quality of sound, so he may as well have better amp and effects, and a crummier guitar. In his case, just about any guitar that stays in tune would be fine. And then there are apparently many people who own Gibson guitars but don't use them or fully appreciate them. If it's just going to be used as decoration, they may as well spend less and get a counterfeit.
Thundergod Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I have played some of those fakes... I have seen them and have had time to look closely. I you want suspense? Go see a movie... I will say it clearly and up front... no suspense. THEY ARE SH!T. Less than that. They sound horrible. (some might say "but that's because of the crappy pickups... upgrade them to a pair of burstbuckers...) So, you have to spend 300 bucks, and some more if you have no idea of how to change them yourself, which you probably can't (seeing as "you" went and bought that thing thinking it was real). 350 added already to the POS guitar you bought for 320 plus shipping and handling (100 according to those chinese sites) You have spent 770 bucks and ... I repeat... want suspense? I wont keep you hanging there not knowing... THAT THING STILL SOUNDS LIKE CRAP! Ok, ok... some would say: It's the hardware... change the hardware! Duh! how did I not think of that!!! Ok here it goes: Gibson tp6 tailpiece ($120), gibson TOM bridge ($60), Grover tuners ($70)... that's 250 bucks more plus instalation... 300 more bucks. YOU HAVE SPENT 1070 BUCKS ALREADY on a pece of sh-t that ... (insert suspense tune here)... Is still a piece of crap! Then you start using your head... and it hits you like an 18 wheeler at full speed: STRINGS!!! That's gotta be it! You go ... spend 16 bucks on a nice set of gibson strings. As you are a morron, you pay the GC guy to install them... he charges you 4 bucks... so 20 in total. Now you have spent 1090 bucks in that gorgeous really beautiful real gibson while others pay less than doubble for them. You go home... plug it again to the amp... and out comes the sound of sh1t... I wont let the suspense kill you... by now you must have realized THE PROBLEM IS THAT CRAPPY MARSHALL P.O.S. AMP. You go out... buy a behringer and you, the behringer 5 watt solid state amp and your "GIBSUN" live happily ever after. End of story I'm going to the backyard to shoot myself now... * The story told above is based on true events that happened in a third world country overrun by a communist regime. Yes the a-hole that bought that guitar had a friend that had bought one too... yes that a-hole also went to me asking what the problem was as it didnt look sound or feel like the gibsons they had in the oficial gibson dealer's store. And yes... one of the ignorant idiots bought all of the replacement parts in hopes of making his guitar look, feel and sound as a real gibson. He paid me to do the upgrades and setup that hideous thing in his attempts to have her look, sound, and play like a real gibson. He failed miserably. I laughed my *** off rolling on the floor on flames.
RudyH Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I've often wondered about people who do that. When will they learn that if you want quality, you have to buy quality.
retrosurfer1959 Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim. There are many' date=' many things made in China that were formerly made in the US, and quality is as good as or better than the US product. Cost is 1/4 to 1/3 the US product to make, and that includes delivering the finished product to the company's door. These Chinese guitars may not be real Gibsons, but only a true test will verify whether they are functionally as good a Gibson. They very well may be.[/quote'] Sacrilege thinking here, if they were honest and labeled them as their own brand I'd agree but to knowingly copy a name brand only too knowingly defraud a valued and trusted brand is wrong at every level, I mean BMW makes a nice bike in some ways but it ain't a Harley even if you slapped a harley logo on it. I don't really care if there any good or total ****. Bottom line they are still fakes and should be prohibited and prosecuted when possible.
Guitarooster52 Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 If somebody wants to buy a guitar on a budget there are lots of choices available that are decent and at a reasonable price. I won't go through names because we all know of some. The point is that they don't put Gibson or Fender on their headstock and they don't have to because they stand on their own. They can be found in the used rack or even new in some stores and you'll want to try before you buy because there's lots of junk out there as well. The bottom line: If your budget is $300....don't "F@&*king" Google "Gibson" and expect to get the real thing from China.
Bluemoon Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 If your budget is $300....don't "F@&*king" Google "Gibson" and expect to get the real thing from China. +1--buy a legit guitar and put the bastards out of business.
rocketman Posted November 21, 2008 Posted November 21, 2008 Do we even know if they are made out of mahogany? How many variations of mahogany are there anyways? I looked it up and didn't see much.
Thundergod Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 The one in the link goes as far as saying it sports classic 57 pickups... what the hell is that suposed to mean? Also... reading what Guitarooster52 wrote I have to share this with you guys... down here there is a buy/sell internet page (afiliated to ebay). Most people that sell used or even new Squiers and Epiphones list them as "Fender Stratocaster", "Fender Telecaster", "Gibson Les Paul" or "Gibson SG". They not only list them that way but in the description they claim it is a fender or gibson. Most of the times if one asks "it is a gibson or an epiphone?" or "is it a fender? american, mexican? or is it a squier?" They answer "it is a gibson-epiphone" or "it is a fender squier"... imagine that. People in general suck... big time. People that goes and advertises something that is not what they are selling that is.
modoc_333 Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 I don't see why it's such an outrageous claim. There are many' date=' many things made in China that were formerly made in the US, and quality is as good as or better than the US product. Cost is 1/4 to 1/3 the US product to make, and that includes delivering the finished product to the company's door. These Chinese guitars may not be real Gibsons, but only a true test will verify whether they are functionally as good a Gibson. They very well may be.[/quote'] i've held them, played them, and worked on them. they are not the same. oh, and PLEASE tell me which products used to be made in the USA, then moved to china and the quality went UP!
Riffster Posted November 22, 2008 Posted November 22, 2008 i've held them' date=' played them, and worked on them. they are not the same. oh, and PLEASE tell me which products used to be made in the USA, then moved to china and the quality went UP![/quote'] Truth is Chinese goods are made to the specifications dictated by the contractor. If you want a guitar made for $50 from China, then that is what you get. My Guild acoustic is made in China and I have to tell you it is the best made guitar I own. The materials, finish and overall craftsmanship is absolutely spotless. This is because Guild had it build in China but requested and paid the money for the guitar to be made well. I was hesitant to buy it simply because it is made in China but after inspecting the guitar and playing it all of my doubts disappeared. Quality is expensive and it suffers when there is greed involved. American companies are making a killing by having goods made for cheap and selling them for a good price.
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