JuanCarlosVejar Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Friends , has anyone seen these ?: I liked the video but I don't like the idea of building stuff with a vintage vibe to put a new pickup in it ... for me acoustic is acoustic . JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Friends , has anyone seen these ?: I liked the video but I don't like the idea of building stuff with a vintage vibe to put a new pickup in it ... for me acoustic is acoustic . JC I have just taken a step towards buying my first guitar in 4 years (my forth acoustic). It has a pickup in it..Ive asked them to please remove the pickup. This little computer thing is ,no matter what, not going to sound like the real thing anyway. Its all virtual. How about doing it authenticly..reproduce original mics & Martin as it used to be made..! What an original idea! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Mersey, great point. I agree, do it like they did years ago. Awesome sound on this video. No pickup. Just played right into the mic. People used to think Cash had a drummer in his band, but this recording was 4-5 years before Fluke Holland joined Cash and the Tennessee Two. The snare drum sound is Cash's D28, played right into the mic. You just can't beat these orginal and raw sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Mersey, great point. I agree, do it like they did years ago. Awesome sound on this video. No pickup. Just played right into the mic. People used to think Cash had a drummer in his band, but this recording was 4-5 years before Fluke Holland joined Cash and the Tennessee Two. The snare drum sound is Cash's D28, played right into the mic. You just can't beat these orginal and raw sounds. Its like the Elvis Sun Recordings..the cleaness of it. Its like really being in the room. I was shopping for my first recording mic early this year and I ended up with a regular AKG 414XL..but looking around for 3 months and those comparisons.. When AKG went to that teflon capsule it killed the sound of that microphone..it was solid state but clean. Recordings sound magical through that compared to its the predecessors. And the AKG C12 tube microphone..the original one..if you have a really good voice its a shame to not have access to a thing like that to be recorded through. When I think of Creedence Clearwater Revival I say to myself they never would a sounded that good recorded through all this newer garbage. In the old days the second hand stuff that fell into our laps was really good stuff..real good sounding handwired Fenders were all over the place.. I..a boy growing up on welfare ended up with a Marshall metal face Plexi & a Les Paul Jr. I personally think the folk thing in the 60's partly came about cause there were so many cheap pre war Martins around that helped inspire them with that sound. Then big business flooded the market with mass produced things that looked like the real thing.. Im always honking..why don't they just make it like they used to. Men made em ..not aliens. Cheers PS ..no one holds the guitar like Johnny Cash. My wife says he holds that guitar like a machine gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I personally think the folk thing in the 60's partly came about cause there were so many cheap pre war Martins around that helped inspire them with that sound. Then big business flooded the market with mass produced things that looked like the real thing.. Im always honking..why don't they just make it like they used to. Men made em ..not aliens. Cheers MB, MB, MB, watch out! You're starting to sound like us geezers here. There WERE a lot of great older Martins (and Gibsons) around in the 60's, and they didn't cost an arm an a leg, but they were a lot of money for a college kid like me. My first "real" guitar (other than a $5 second-hand Mexican) was the late-40's J-45 that I still have. It cost me $50 in 1966, and I had to borrow the money from my sister even to afford that. It had such a funky sound, and was so worn, that I was ashamed to pull it out of the case in front of my friends with their gorgeous and articulate Martins. Now, of course, I love my old Gibby's unique voice. And it doesn't look so worn: just well-loved, with a lot of stories to tell. We appreciate a lot of the old recording equipment today because it is so basic, and adds unique coloration, particularly to the voice. I do remember, however, how thrilled we were to get our first condenser mics and move away from the old Shure dynamics. Now, we'd probably do the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 Its like the Elvis Sun Recordings..the cleaness of it. Its like really being in the room. I was shopping for my first recording mic early this year and I ended up with a regular AKG 414XL..but looking around for 3 months and those comparisons.. When AKG went to that teflon capsule it killed the sound of that microphone..it was solid state but clean. Recordings sound magical through that compared to its the predecessors. And the AKG C12 tube microphone..the original one..if you have a really good voice its a shame to not have access to a thing like that to be recorded through. When I think of Creedence Clearwater Revival I say to myself they never would a sounded that good recorded through all this newer garbage. In the old days the second hand stuff that fell into our laps was really good stuff..real good sounding handwired Fenders were all over the place.. I..a boy growing up on welfare ended up with a Marshall metal face Plexi & a Les Paul Jr. I personally think the folk thing in the 60's partly came about cause there were so many cheap pre war Martins around that helped inspire them with that sound. Then big business flooded the market with mass produced things that looked like the real thing.. Im always honking..why don't they just make it like they used to. Men made em ..not aliens. Cheers Nick, I think the only way to get something a little bit more hand mand (if that) is order a custom shop Martin . or are you talking about gibson and martin becoming small shops again ? JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Nick, I think the only way to get something a little bit more hand mand (if that) is order a custom shop Martin . or are you talking about gibson and martin becoming small shops again ? JC Hi Juan They should have a small section where historic guitars are made in a historic manner. When I last went to the Martin tour I was there to have my guitar I set up. The small original portion of the factory is still there but used as a store to sell guitar parts. That should be the historic workshoppe instead. In 2004 we ordered a D-42 Custom Shoppe.. full V neck..Prem.Adirondack Spruce (I dont like the wide grain )...Madagascar Rosewood,I specified to rep to select me a highly figure back like they only seem to put on they're super expensive stuff or I aint buying anything. And abalone pearl trimming face of the fingerboard & head stock . Its beautifull,great neck & ok sounding but still not close to the old ones I tried . In new..Lowdens are better. What else should I have asked for..hide glue..T Bar..1/4" braces..a thinner top.. It does have a plastic compensated saddle..that should go.. Have you got your guitar yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 MB, MB, MB, watch out! You're starting to sound like us geezers here. There WERE a lot of great older Martins (and Gibsons) around in the 60's, and they didn't cost an arm an a leg, but they were a lot of money for a college kid like me. My first "real" guitar (other than a $5 second-hand Mexican) was the late-40's J-45 that I still have. It cost me $50 in 1966, and I had to borrow the money from my sister even to afford that. It had such a funky sound, and was so worn, that I was ashamed to pull it out of the case in front of my friends with their gorgeous and articulate Martins. Now, of course, I love my old Gibby's unique voice. And it doesn't look so worn: just well-loved, with a lot of stories to tell. We appreciate a lot of the old recording equipment today because it is so basic, and adds unique coloration, particularly to the voice. I do remember, however, how thrilled we were to get our fisrt condenser mics and move away from the old Shure dynamics. Now, we'd probably do the opposite. God Bless that sister. Thank God for those that help along the way..the shop owner in that little Music Inn in the village who i virtually begged on my hands & knees to take everything I had for that first 57' Gibson Les Paul junior..the guy was almost in shock, and said alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I was shopping for my first recording mic early this year and I ended up with a regular AKG 414XL..but looking around for 3 months and those comparisons.. PS ..no one holds the guitar like Johnny Cash. My wife says he holds that guitar like a machine gun. The AKG C414.. thats a very good mike MB.. very versatile with the switchable polar patterns. Every good studio has one.. I want one myself. I agree with most of what has been said. Living in Europe and specifically Ireland, we just don't have the opportunity to play and buy these vintage instruments as us Europeans regularly attest to here. maybe if you can get to London on a regular basis. I'd love to be able to play a few vintage Gibsons.. but there just aren't any here... only way is to buy unseen on the inter web..and we know that is not the ideal scenario when buying any instrument. To be fair to what Martin is doing..or attempting to do. The video clip when they are playing the Neil Young riff with and without the processing.. what they have done sounded pretty bloody good if I'm honest.. You can tell a massive difference... and that guitar sounded lovely. IMO Would I buy one though... naw.. maybe if I was rich.. just for recording purposes. In day's gone buy they only use mic's to caputure the sound of an acoustic guitar because.... that's all there was.... there was no other way. Technology moves forward and it's a good thing it does.. cos they wouldn't have invented those mic's in the first place if it didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The AKG C414.. thats a very good mike MB.. very versatile with the switchable polar patterns. Every good studio has one.. I want one myself. I agree with most of what has been said. Living in Europe and specifically Ireland, we just don't have the opportunity to play and buy these vintage instruments as us Europeans regularly attest to here. maybe if you can get to London on a regular basis. I'd love to be able to play a few vintage Gibsons.. but there just aren't any here... only way is to buy unseen on the inter web..and we know that is not the ideal scenario when buying any instrument. To be fair to what Martin is doing..or attempting to do. The video clip when they are playing the Neil Young riff with and without the processing.. what they have done sounded pretty bloody good if I'm honest.. You can tell a massive difference... and that guitar sounded lovely. IMO Would I buy one though... naw.. maybe if I was rich.. just for recording purposes. In day's gone buy they only use mic's to caputure the sound of an acoustic guitar because.... that's all there was.... there was no other way. Technology moves forward and it's a good thing it does.. cos they wouldn't have invented those mic's in the first place if it didn't. Your in Ireland! Id love to go to that country. I love the people & the accent is like music to my ears. I had a Studer Revox Professional Reel to Reel Recorder that I never used, I put it on ebay and a couple of nice people making a studio in Dublin bought it a couple of weeks ago. I was very happy that it went there. I had originally posted it locally but people here were nit picking at it like vultures. When I posted it internationally, it sold right away for the price & all of that shipping. Getting a good price is one thing but when it is already listed at a good price it gets ridiculous. That thing was a work of art. It took me a long time to come to terms with spending that much on a microphone but after a bit of studying mics,I found myself unable but willing to spend a lot more on an even better one. I havent used it yet but I hope its good. Those old mics transfered it seems the sound with a transparency. Importing an instrument with those unfair shipping rates is quite a leap if only for that, if you find a guitar here for example. To send this Revox to Ireland it cost $522 Fed Ex which is such a rip off as a round trip airfare ticket is a little more including luggage. It would be some help if you knew someone in that country/area who can go look at the guitar for you & give you his opinion. Maybe a person on this forum can be of some help. If a guitar was near by Id be ok with giving it a look over & play..to be of some service but Im a harsh critic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I had a Studer Revox Professional Reel to Reel Recorder that I never used, I put it on ebay and a couple of nice people making a studio in Dublin bought it a couple of weeks ago. Now that really is a blast from the past, MB. Are we talking A-77 here, or one of the studio models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Now that really is a blast from the past, MB. Are we talking A-77 here, or one of the studio models? Hi It was the later about 1991 Studer Revox PR99MKII (7.5/15 ips) 2 Track Recorder. Id heard a few times that there has been a revival of recording on to tape as some people are suspecting something is missing in the digital recording. So I decided to sell it. I had always intended to use the thing..but never sprung for the quality mic to complete set up...it seemed a little complicated & I was afraid to screw it up..and I am incredibly lazy in some things. I just put a plastic see through cover over it & just admired the thing like an art work. Shame on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Mersey, great point. I agree, do it like they did years ago. Awesome sound on this video. No pickup. Just played right into the mic. People used to think Cash had a drummer in his band, but this recording was 4-5 years before Fluke Holland joined Cash and the Tennessee Two. The snare drum sound is Cash's D28, played right into the mic. You just can't beat these orginal and raw sounds. He was also noted for folding up a dollar bill, then "wedging" it between the fretboard and the back of the strings at about the 14th fret, or so. There wasn't much tension, but bill will stay in place. He got somewhat of a 'brush' sound when strumming. In his more affluent years he used a hunnert dollar bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Nilppeznaf Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Your in Ireland! Id love to go to that country. I love the people & the accent is like music to my ears. I had a Studer Revox Professional Reel to Reel Recorder that I never used, I put it on ebay and a couple of nice people making a studio in Dublin bought it a couple of weeks ago. I was very happy that it went there. I had originally posted it locally but people here were nit picking at it like vultures. When I posted it internationally, it sold right away for the price & all of that shipping. Getting a good price is one thing but when it is already listed at a good price it gets ridiculous. That thing was a work of art. It took me a long time to come to terms with spending that much on a microphone but after a bit of studying mics,I found myself unable but willing to spend a lot more on an even better one. I havent used it yet but I hope its good. Those old mics transfered it seems the sound with a transparency. Importing an instrument with those unfair shipping rates is quite a leap if only for that, if you find a guitar here for example. To send this Revox to Ireland it cost $522 Fed Ex which is such a rip off as a round trip airfare ticket is a little more including luggage. It would be some help if you knew someone in that country/area who can go look at the guitar for you & give you his opinion. Maybe a person on this forum can be of some help. If a guitar was near by Id be ok with giving it a look over & play..to be of some service but Im a harsh critic. Thanks Mersey... i recently sold a Akai sampler to an American guy..and the shipping costs where nearly as much as the sampler. I would say a lot of pro recordings are still mixed down to two track tape..and the Revox is a nice bit of kit. I have a Souncraft 1 inch 8 track thats sound fantastic..but the cost of tape nowadays..and servicing doesnt make it viable. My parents are from Liverpool originally... and the Cavern was their local... they still like to have a good old dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseybeat1963 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Thanks Mersey... i recently sold a Akai sampler to an American guy..and the shipping costs where nearly as much as the sampler. I would say a lot of pro recordings are still mixed down to two track tape..and the Revox is a nice bit of kit. I have a Souncraft 1 inch 8 track thats sound fantastic..but the cost of tape nowadays..and servicing doesnt make it viable. My parents are from Liverpool originally... and the Cavern was their local... they still like to have a good old dance. The original Cavern was they're local..In the 60's..! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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