bluesguitar65 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Made two big muff clones, triangle and a violet ram's head version. Can you hear any tone difference? These clones are from general guitar gadgets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyHmJkB0uYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 First if all, they both sound great! And this is from a guy who doesn't normally go for Big Muffs (no pun intended). That said I prefer the triangle version. They are very close but there seems to be a difference in the mids. To my ears the ram's head version shifts the mids upwards. That would be fine, but it seems to sound looser and more ragged because of this. I prefer the smoother sound of the triangle version. Think I need to build me a muff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 First if all, they both sound great! And this is from a guy who doesn't normally go for Big Muffs (no pun intended). That said I prefer the triangle version. They are very close but there seems to be a difference in the mids. To my ears the ram's head version shifts the mids upwards. That would be fine, but it seems to sound looser and more ragged because of this. I prefer the smoother sound of the triangle version. Think I need to build me a muff. Hey surfpup Thanks!! Yea, its a toss up between the two. Do you think the transistors have something to do with it? Ram's Head has four 2n5089 with gains at 460 hfe while the triangle has four 2n5088 with gains at only 390 hfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfpup Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hey surfpup Thanks!! Yea, its a toss up between the two. Do you think the transistors have something to do with it? Ram's Head has four 2n5089 with gains at 460 hfe while the triangle has four 2n5088 with gains at only 390 hfe. Could be either I guess. I do like me some 5088s. Are the circuits the same except for the transistors and the voltage at Q1? If so an easy way to find out what is creating the difference - swap trannys and compare. If that doesn't do it adjust the voltage at Q1. Do they have trimpots at Q1? Which do you prefer right now? It would be fun to see how similar (or different) you could make the two circuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 Could be either I guess. I do like me some 5088s. Are the circuits the same except for the transistors and the voltage at Q1? If so an easy way to find out what is creating the difference - swap trannys and compare. If that doesn't do it adjust the voltage at Q1. Do they have trimpots at Q1? Which do you prefer right now? It would be fun to see how similar (or different) you could make the two circuits. I haven't measured the Q1 voltage, but there some value differences, resistors and caps between the two. GGG has the big muff kits on sale for this month for $58.50, regular price was $65. I also like the triangle better. No trimpots on both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavestate Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 The Triangle muff is my pick. Nice pedals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted August 24, 2012 Author Share Posted August 24, 2012 The Triangle muff is my pick. Nice pedals! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermionik Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sold my PRH a while back. On-line audio never does them justice tone-wise..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sold my PRH a while back. On-line audio never does them justice tone-wise..... OH man....that is sweet [thumbup] [thumbup] Did the VRH clone I built sound anything like your original or at least close to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermionik Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 OH man....that is sweet [thumbup] [thumbup] Did the VRH clone I built sound anything like your original or at least close to it? Unless we played the same thing on the same guitar through the same gear, it's hard to judge. Worse yet, once YouTube, SoundCloud or whoever has put the audio through their algorithms and compressed the crap out of it, it is even harder to tell subtle differences. And here's the thing - I finally figured that there are 101 ways to get "that" sound. Also that most listeners couldn't tell the difference between a Klon Centaur and a cheap Tube-Screamer copy, a sixties "triangle" Big Muff Pi and a Boss DS-1. Leastways not when in use "correctly" - which is in front of cranked valve amps and playing loudly. Bedroom noodlers may actually notice more difference..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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