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Ever since I learned that chambered Les Pauls are frowned upon by certain cork-sniffing d*cks (you know I love you Tim) I have not fully enjoyed my Les Paul, I spend my spare time looking at Customs, Historics and 90's standards on eBay.

I have also started to find shortcomings in it's tone, when it actually sounds just dandy.

But you know what

**** YOU GUYS

I love my Les Paul, chambered or not

Ok, just needed to say that

Yours,

Oil****

RichCI

RichCI

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If you enjoy your LP, that's all the matters. Personally, I don't like bringing my LP to band rehearsal because 3 hours with that boat anchor around my neck is a bit much on my back.

Thundergod

Thundergod

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I couldn't care less... for me, tone is 70% in your fingers. Now the other 30% does count... but chambered guitars have good tone, as do solid ones, you have to ad to that the amp and FX (if you use any... in OL****S case, he doesnt have one hehehehehe).

 

They are just different.

 

I have a cheap (less than 500 bucks) DeArmond M75-t guitar (first version, unchambered, just before being bought by fender that later closed them up, DeArmond started chambering M-75s) that is a solid slab of mahogany with a maple top. Weights a ton and sounds like a million bucks, single coiled though, so its hard to make a comparisson. But my lester (std. faded) is chambered and sounds like 1000000 too. I have this lester that almost never leaves the case, a white studio (beat the sh-t out off-white studio) and it has the 9 holes (swees cheese?) I preffer the sound/tone of my std. maybe its the burstbuckers, maybe it's the chambering... I don't know. What I know is, you can't say a chambered guitar sounds better or worst than one that is not chambered.

 

If chambered bodies are so bad, then why do we have chambered reissues that actually sell?

surfpup

surfpup

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I've got two lp's... One chambered' date=' and one unchambered. They both have their benefits and i'm not talking about one being lighter either. [/quote']

 

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solacematt

solacematt

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whatever ya gotta tell yourself to sleep at night =P~

Just screwin with ya. What's important is that it feels good and is comfortable for you. I mean, tons of people play strats and those s much wood taken out of those things for the electronics.

DamienAzrael

DamienAzrael

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If chambered bodies are so bad' date=' then why do we have chambered reissues that actually sell?[/quote']

 

They sell because a lot of people can't handle the weight of a nice old Les Paul...I think chambered guitars are pretty lame actually...Nothing beats a nice old solid mahogany back unchambered Les Paul....Besides....It's not an accurate reissue if it's chambered seeing as how Gibson wasn't chambering their fiddles back then.

Thundergod

Thundergod

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They sell because a lot of people can't handle the weight of a nice old Les Paul...I think chambered guitars are pretty lame actually...Nothing beats a nice old solid mahogany back unchambered Les Paul....Besides....It's not an accurate reissue if it's chambered seeing as how Gibson wasn't chambering their fiddles back then.

 

 

I don't think so, I think they sell because they sound, feel and play good nonetheless.

 

If they were lame and POS compared to unchambered ones, then people wouldnt buy them but chambered STANDARDS which cost less and (not my opinion) would sound as crappy as they are chambered too.

 

Not wanting to start any kind of controversy here, but I dont think one can say a guitar is bad or good because of the chambering or whatever. Then all semihollows are sh1t... and all fenders... and almost half of the stuff gibson puts out today.

DamienAzrael

DamienAzrael

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Not wanting to start any kind of controversy here' date=' but I dont think one can say a guitar is bad or good because of the chambering or whatever. Then all semihollows are sh1t... and all fenders... and almost half of the stuff gibson puts out today.

 

 

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I'm not trying to start anything either, but comparing a semihollow guitar to an unchambered Les Paul is like comparing apples to oranges...They're supposed to sound different...I'm not saying that chambered guitars sound bad like other people do....I'm just saying they sell very well because they're lighter and a guitars weight is a big part of the selling point whether you want to believe it or not.

dark

dark

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I do agree with the post above EXCEPT for semi-hollows (which are not the same as chambered-not a fair comparison)

"Then all semihollows are sh1t... and all fenders... and almost half of the stuff gibson puts out today"

 

Fender does make a ton of crap, their QC, like Gibson lacks consistency. I agree that the new Gibsons are 50% crap, quality is not there as it was decades ago. I have been buying Gibson since 1968 and working in music stores for many years. My opinions are shared by many of my fellow guitarists. I love Gibson LPs, just not going to jump on the bandwagon that it is the panacea or model guitar company. They are human, and have made bad business decisions like every other company.

 

Tone is more than just a guitar, there are many variables. If it was in your hand, then we could all just buy one guitar, one amp, and ignore effects, since tone is all in your hands.

 

That said, chambered guitars do not have the same warm tone as non chambered. Some people cannot tell the difference, just the same as some cannot tell pickups nuances, that only means one's musical ear is not developed. There is a difference in tone. Non chambered is a warmer, LP, sound.

 

Thing I don't get is all this crying about LP weight. I have played Telecasters that weighed more than my LP. You need a great slab of dense, quality wood, as a part of a great tone. Besides I wonder how much weight does chambering decrease a guitar by? 2 lbs? that's silly.

DamienAzrael

DamienAzrael

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I do agree with the post above EXCEPT for semi-hollows (which are not the same as chambered-not a fair comparison)

"Then all semihollows are sh1t... and all fenders... and almost half of the stuff gibson puts out today"

 

Fender does make a ton of crap' date=' their QC, like Gibson lacks consistency. I agree that the new Gibsons are 50% crap, quality is not there as it was decades ago. I have been buying Gibson since 1968 and working in music stores for many years. My opinions are shared by many of my fellow guitarists. I love Gibson LPs, just not going to jump on the bandwagon that it is the panacea or model guitar company. They are human, and have made bad business decisions like every other company.

 

Tone is more than just a guitar, there are many variables. If it was in your hand, then we could all just buy one guitar, one amp, and ignore effects, since tone is all in your hands.

 

That said, chambered guitars do not have the same warm tone as non chambered. Some people cannot tell the difference, just the same as some cannot tell pickups nuances, that only means one's musical ear is not developed. There is a difference in tone. Non chambered is a warmer, LP, sound.

 

Thing I don't get is all this crying about LP weight. I have played Telecasters that weighed more than my LP. You need a great slab of dense, quality wood, as a part of a great tone. Besides I wonder how much weight does chambering decrease a guitar by? 2 lbs? that's silly. [/quote']

 

THANK YOU !!!!!.....For once somebody that gets it.....You need a nice dense piece of wood to make a fiddle....Most companies just want to get as many guitars out the factory doors as possible.

dark

dark

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THANK YOU !!!!!.....For once somebody that gets it.....You need a nice dense piece of wood to make a fiddle....Most companies just want to get as many guitars out the factory doors as possible.

 

 

Besides who wants a light guitar that sounds like an Ibanez? lol

 

 

Seriously, it's about money, bro, its always about the money.

 

I believe this is the reason why chambered is being pursued by Gibson. Exotic woods are getting more expensive. As we tear down forests, things like wood in general, as in Brazilian rosewood fingerboards are getting more and more rare.

DamienAzrael

DamienAzrael

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It's money' date=' bro, its always about the money.

 

I believe this is the reason why chambered is being pursued by Gibson. Exotic woods are getting more expensive. As we tear down forests, things like wood in general, as in Brazilian rosewood fingerboards are getting more and more rare. [/quote']

 

Sadly...yeah....that's 100% true....I go to school for guitar manufacturing and repair so I know all about the stupid things companies to do save themselves money and make more...Finding a nice piece of real Brazilian rosewood is extremely rare now.

Tim Plains

Tim Plains

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Ever since I learned that chambered Les Pauls are frowned upon by certain cork-sniffing d*cks (you know I love you Tim) I have not fully enjoyed my Les Paul' date=' I spend my spare time looking at Customs, Historics and 90's standards on eBay.

I have also started to find shortcomings in it's tone, when it actually sounds just dandy.

But you know what

**** YOU GUYS

I love my Les Paul, chambered or not

Ok, just needed to say that

Yours,

Oil****[/quote']

OP-14, I'm not a cork sniffer...bite me! Why do I always get the blame?

You, Jesse, Ian & AXE can all suck my nuts! happy0008.gif

I check out LPs on eBay, too...it never ends.

There's nothing wrong with a chambered LP, I just don't want one and don't look down on them.

For that matter, I wouldn't buy another weight-relieved LP, either. Does that make me a snob?

I've found what I like and that's what I'm sticking with...

 

Besides....It's not an accurate reissue if it's chambered seeing as how Gibson wasn't chambering their fiddles back then.

Not entirely true. Have you ever seen an old picture of Mary Ford playing a gold top.

Apparently, that gold top was chambered. I think that's the guitar the ES-295 is supposed to be.

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Products/GOTM/LesPaulLP-295Goldtop/

rocketman

rocketman

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I couldn't care less... for me' date=' tone is 70% in your fingers. Now the other 30% does count... but chambered guitars have good tone, as do solid ones, you have to ad to that the amp and FX (if you use any... in OL****S case, he doesnt have one hehehehehe).

 

They are just different.

 

I have a cheap (less than 500 bucks) DeArmond M75-t guitar (first version, unchambered, just before being bought by fender that later closed them up, DeArmond started chambering M-75s) that is a solid slab of mahogany with a maple top. Weights a ton and sounds like a million bucks, single coiled though, so its hard to make a comparisson. But my lester (std. faded) is chambered and sounds like 1000000 too. I have this lester that almost never leaves the case, a white studio (beat the sh-t out off-white studio) and it has the 9 holes (swees cheese?) I preffer the sound/tone of my std. maybe its the burstbuckers, maybe it's the chambering... I don't know. What I know is, you can't say a chambered guitar sounds better or worst than one that is not chambered.

 

If chambered bodies are so bad, then why do we have chambered reissues that actually sell?[/quote']

 

+1. Ted Nugent once played EVH's setup and it still sounded like Nugent according to him. One of my standards is chambered and the other is swiss cheesed, but I love the sound of both. In fact I've got certain songs that I think the chambered sounds better and certain ones that the weight relieved sounds better. Heck, if you want a screaming sound, try out my Sonex which sounds nothing like my standards. Great shredding sound on that one.

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OP-14' date=' I'm not a cork sniffer...bite me! Why do I always get the blame?

You, Jesse, Ian & AXE can all suck my nuts!

I check out LPs on eBay, too...it never ends.

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Don't piss your pants, it was a joke.

To be honest Jesse is the biggest hater on chambered guitars, I just said cork-sniffing dicks because your easy to pick on.

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myspace.com/jessenoah

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Don't piss your pants' date=' it was a joke.

To be honest Jesse is the biggest hater on chambered guitars, I just said cork-sniffing dicks because your easy to pick on.

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THATS RIGHT

i sold a good les paul just because it was chambered

 

hehehehe

AXE®

AXE®

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You, Jesse, Ian & AXE can all suck my nuts!

 

 

But Timmy ... I lurve you...

 

Bole has you beat to **** when it comes to collecting though.

 

He just got another 68 white Custom....

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