DonCarlos Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Like several of you out there I used the Tonerite device for my guitar. The one I used was a rented one that was traveling by mail from user to user. That was last year or so. End result it seemed to make a difference. Yesterday I was putting out the trash to the curb and recovered a fish pump that one of my daughter's was throwing out. I had always thought that the tonerite was really just a fish pump. So I put it on my strings near the bridge and held it in place by laying the guitar case lid on it, and voila' the top and strings are vibrating away (same effect that was caused by the Tonerite). So I will run this for the rest of the week to see if it makes any appreciable difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojorule Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Does it also help you practise your scales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Don may have stumbled onto something here...no need to throw in a red herring Mojo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Isn't that a dangerous way to perch it on top of your guitar? I hope it doesn't make the finish on your guitar bubble up......does it create any noticeable sound waves......or can you filter the bad sounds out???.....does it increase the Bass???..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 It is not laying on the finish, it is laying across the top of the strings, and then i closed the case lid part way, to hold it there. Not really trying to do anything scientific, just the thought came to me and thought I would give it a go. Not sure what will come of it, but doubtful any damage at all (The actual Tonerite vibrated much much harder and no damage, just dead strings) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojorule Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Isn't that a dangerous way to perch it on top of your guitar? I hope it doesn't make the finish on your guitar bubble up......does it create any noticeable sound waves......or can you filter the bad sounds out???.....does it increase the Bass???..... No problem: so long as it's at the right angle, it shouldn't kipper over. And the net effect should be positive, so he needn't be koi about his playing. I don't want to carp on, but it won't make him Julian Bream, though. And it will only work on a nice acoustic like a Gibson, not on a cheap electric like a Marlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol fred Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 No problem: so long as it's at the right angle, it shouldn't kipper over. And the net effect should be positive, so he needn't be koi about his playing. I don't want to carp on, but it won't make him Julian Bream, though. And it will only work on a nice acoustic like a Gibson, not on a cheap electric like a Marlin. Yikes, you've morphed into OWF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 No problem: so long as it's at the right angle, it shouldn't kipper over. And the net effect should be positive, so he needn't be koi about his playing. I don't want to carp on, but it won't make him Julian Bream, though. And it will only work on a nice acoustic like a Gibson, not on a cheap electric like a Marlin. Well I am only guessing at some of the meaning of the words you used, but when translated to american english mean: kipper=things you use as seasoning carp+ a rather ugly bottom feeder fish marlin = bigger fish koi= japanese fish....(sure a lot of fish language in your comment) julian beam?= is that a type of whiskey? So overall i am translating your comment to mean something like "You can use kippers on Carp, Koi and Marlins, and add some whiskey as well". I know I was talking about an aquarium pump but this is a guitar forum my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Is it OK to run that pump dry? Some pumps depend on the water flow for lubrication of the impeller and cooling. Just feel it to make sure it isn't overheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well DonCarlos....you can go to school on this one, we are looking forward to seeing what the net gain is......be a good chum and let us know. I'm with Nick, you don't want to be on the hook for an overheating pump, I hope you can catch it in time. Tanks for keeping us posted on this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Seems like there should be some duct tape in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 Is it OK to run that pump dry? Some pumps depend on the water flow for lubrication of the impeller and cooling. Just feel it to make sure it isn't overheating. Nope this is a simple external aquarium air pump, that has a place to attach a hose and then the other hose end goes inside the aquarium (it made bubbles in the tank). My daughter ran it 24/7 and according to her, it never heated up. She is rather amused that I rescued it from the trash. I think it validates her impression that her dad is a bit nuts. But, I hadn't thought of the heating up factor, so that is something I will keep an eye on. I wonder how I would explain to the insurance company how my J45 caught on fire......hmm. Seems like there should be some duct tape in there somewhere. I agree. There has to be need to include duct tape , at some point. I will definitely work that in on a set of instructions. if I market this to AGF people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars68 Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I have one of those homemade aquarium pump tonrites. I got the idea from a monster long thread on Tonrites on one of the big guitar forums, UMGF I think, a couple of years ago. Lots of posters in that thread agreed that the Tonrite and the pump were pretty much identical. I went out and got my own pump. It even has some nice small rubber feet to hold it in place between the strings. I used it on my guitars for a while and was very happy with the results. I haven't used it in about a year now. I can no longer find a safe place to keep the guitar while the pump is in action. I am worried my kids will find the guitar and use it for playing indoor hockey... :-) So the idea is not as crazy as it first might seem. Lars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAMELEYE Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well, I'm hooked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well, I'm hooked! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCarlos Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 This thread has taken on it's own life. What the heck were we talking about at the start? Might as well throw in a video now from one of my favorite performers. I saw him once, many many many moons ago, and that was playing a coffee shop in Colorado (1975) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sBLXQDh1MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 This thread has taken on it's own life. What the heck were we talking about at the start? Might as well throw in a video now from one of my favorite performers. I saw him once, many many many moons ago, and that was playing a coffee shop in Colorado (1975) Saw him at a club in Boston around 1970. He put on a great show, primarily playing a metal-bodied resonator. The crowd was on their feet the whole time. Lots of dancing and toe-tapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Never saw the Taj live, but have enjoyed his recordings for years on years....a delight to my ears! The REAL DEAL! The pump thing sounds a little fishy to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojorule Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Well I am only guessing at some of the meaning of the words you used, but when translated to american english mean: kipper=things you use as seasoning carp+ a rather ugly bottom feeder fish marlin = bigger fish koi= japanese fish....(sure a lot of fish language in your comment) julian beam?= is that a type of whiskey? So overall i am translating your comment to mean something like "You can use kippers on Carp, Koi and Marlins, and add some whiskey as well". I know I was talking about an aquarium pump but this is a guitar forum my friend. So, some help with translation is clearly in order. Carp and koi travel perfectly well across the Atlantic, though I'm not sure that the former is quite as ugly as you maintain, since it is the prime ingredient of fine fish soup here in Hungary, particularly of the fish soup which is our local delicacy and source of the one annual event that puts our town on the map. It has its culinary place. What I have just written is an example of carping on (moaning about something previously said). Marlin is better known on your side of the pond in any case, though perhaps Marlin guitars (among the cheapest stratesque starter electrics in the 1980s) were more common on my side. But moving on to the more difficult items: kippers are smoked herring bereft of head and tail, and halved (as opposed to bloaters which are the same thing whole, with head and tail attached), traditionally served with toast and tea for breakfast in Britain; to kip over is to wobble and fall; kipper ties are large, flared neckties, favoured by gentlemen in the period when Del Nilzep last found new music tolerable, but I digress in order to get a laugh out of Del; Julian Bream is Matt Sears's favourite guitarist (scarily fast classical player). Given my current predilection for Jim B and long-term respect for Julian B, though, I would love to see the tribute bourbon you now propose. If you can knock up your own tonerite, could you manage a bottle of Jules B for us, Don C? Anyway. In the Queen's English, the comment should read: 'Provided you maintain your newfangled contraption in an appropriate position relative to the soundboard, it should not wobble and fall onto said soundboard. Indeed, the overall outcome should be that your instrument sounds better, so you need not be shy in performance. Nonetheless, while I do not wish to sound pedantic and ungenerous, it will not turn you into one of the best classical guitarists since Segovia. What is more, this gadget of yours is only appropriate for use on a high end flat-top instrument such as your J45, and not on a beginner's solidbody of dubious origin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Then if you keep the fishy business going and switch the language a bit more north to Scotland... Cod (ph: cawd) would be how people said the word 'called'; e.g.. Whit's he caw'd again? - Sorry, I can't remember that chaps name, could you enlighten me? Kipper would be a reasonably common word for 'face' A trout would often describe a loose woman. Sharking would be the art of trying to secure the company of a young trout for an overnight stay. So technically you could be sitting at a kipper on toast, looking at the strangers kipper across from you who happened to be some trout from last night when you were out sharking, but as you'd had a few you can't remember what she was caw'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Then if you keep the fishy business going and switch the language a bit more north to Scotland... Cod (ph: cawd) would be how people said the word 'called'; e.g.. Whit's he caw'd again? - Sorry, I can't remember that chaps name, could you enlighten me? Kipper would be a reasonably common word for 'face' A trout would often describe a loose woman. Sharking would be the art of trying to secure the company of a young trout for an overnight stay. So technically you could be sitting at a kipper on toast, looking at the strangers kipper across from you who happened to be some trout from last night when you were out sharking, but as you'd had a few you can't remember what she was caw'd. lol , brilliant. !! you gonna tell the americans that you also deep fry mars bars and pizza in scotland ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Deep fried Mars bars.... often credited to Glasgow but it actually started in Edinburgh. Some chip shop was listed as being the worst in Edinburgh, to combat the title they came up with a gimmick, deep frying chocolate bars... it was all very flash in the pan stuff, the whole phenomenon lasted a few weeks, by which time it had hit the Scottish news, so of course a load of people tried it, practically boke'd at the sheer horror of it and never tried it a 2nd time. Fast forward a couple of month it made it to the national evening news at 10 and became the story we laugh at today. I don't honestly know anyone who tried it twice, it was proper proper minging. For the pizza, despite being a heart attack in a polystyrene container it faired better in the taste-off, you can still get that to this day. It's a specific type of pizza though, not your typical well topped pizza, it's essentially fried bread with a hint of Tomato & Cheese, like a slightly drier Findus French Bread pizza (remember them?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 they have it every night for dinner .. admit it PM northern ireland isnt far removed from scotland in more than just a geographical way , when they arent making bombs i've seen chippy's in belfast advertising 'deep fried mars bars' and coming up to easter , believe it or not 'deep fried cream eggs ' usually enjoyed as a dessert after the fish supper bought on the way home from the pub :) lord help us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 they have it every night for dinner .. admit it PM northern ireland isnt far removed from scotland in more than just a geographical way , when they arent making bombs i've seen chippy's in belfast advertising 'deep fried mars bars' and coming up to easter , believe it or not 'deep fried cream eggs ' usually enjoyed as a dessert after the fish supper bought on the way home from the pub :) lord help us Three of my closest mates (and Irish bar owners here) are from Norn'Irn, so we often have a laugh at the similarities and strange terms in common. I've even been known to sing the odd rendition of Jackie Fullerton is a horses arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Three of my closest mates (and Irish bar owners here) are from Norn'Irn, so we often have a laugh at the similarities and strange terms in common. I've even been known to sing the odd rendition of Jackie Fullerton is a horses arse. he is an arse too . lol great story about jackie fullerton and the adage that no matter where you go you'll always see someone you know , when he was in las vegas on holiday he heard from across the street ' waterbout yee jackie , isnt that a cor day for the 12th !' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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