quapman Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 BAaahahahahahaha,,,, hilarious... Exactly what this thread needed... nice one Axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Seemed fitting. Considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Civilization and laws aside... In the interest of self-preservation she should have never mess with the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrosurfer1959 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I think it's amazing how a vast majority of people that have never been in a truly serious fight, always seem to have strong opinions about police brutality. Sure sometimes it's wrong and brutal other times it's 100% required especially if someone is on drugs or god forbid mentally disabled. People with mental problems are sometimes almost impossible to stop without seriously injuring them especially if they have been drinking. What common people don't understand is that when five police officers jump one guy it's not brutality it's actually the reverse. the mass and weight of numerous officer can hold somebody down and let you gain control without doing serious damage. If a single officer or any man fights one on one, often the only way to stop a drunk or chemically enhanced person is too seriously injure them as in breaking bones and severe trauma because often people that are high or intoxicated just don't feel it and won't stop until there put down hard and incapacitated. The soccer match is an interesting video the short jabs with the baton that look so brutal are actually really the opposite sure they hurt like hell that's the point, they hurt the person being arrested enough to stop fighting without doing real damage. they cause pain which is the intent they don't break bones they don't crack skulls or do serious injury which is the goal. as for the title "done right" that's total crap! when people ran out of the stands to attack the police honestly they should have been shot. Even if a police officer is doing something wrong, unless there going to kill someone stay out of it you don't know what's happening! for all those people know that person could have had a weapon or been trying to take one and the crowd rushing out and attacking the officers was mob rule at it's worst and should be treated as such. Up to an including the use of deadly force. When groups of uninvolved citizens attack police or the military like that they should be put down with whatever level of force can do the job without permanent injury. If I would have been on duty and seen a group of probably drunken men kicking a downed officer repeatedly like in that video. Honestly I would have used deadly force and shot several of those men because they could easily kill or cripple him just for doing his job. As for the jail scene that's the one that is truly wrong in my opinion if someone is in custody back away slam the door and let them hurt themselves as long as they can't hurt others. People that have never been in a fight possibly for there life or trying to prevent injury to others are usually wrong on all counts. Courts and Police agencies have hearing boards for a reason staffed by intelligent trained people. specifically because the average citizen doesn't know what there looking at and there clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I think Retro here actually has an 'experienced' or knowledgeable perspective. I think..."seeing" or "watching" a confrontation is naturally disturbing. It creates an emotional responce, and it is a NATURAL responce as a human. Our responce, although natural, might not lead to thoughts that are accurate or logical. It's more of an instinct. I think also, seeing a fistfight, even if you are THERE, doesn't tell you the extent of the danger that the participants are willing to go to. You are viewing effort. A person trying to take another down or win a fight CAN look as intense and "violent" as a person attempting to kill. More so, usually, because anger or "show" might be involved. Also, there is an element of "mutual combat". That is, often, when a fight breaks out, it is the result of two parties threatening the other and agreeing to fight. I would bet that the vast majority of the time, both parties have made clear or agreed it will happen before it does. I honestly think, that if you are going to judge a fistfight, you really need to go back to who started it and WHY each one is fighting. You certainly can't tell watching the fight, can you? QUESTION: AT WHAT POINT DO YOU THINK IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO PUNCH SOMEONE? For example, if a person purposely makes you angry, taking advantage of the situation and getting pleasure from your anger, at what point is it understandable they get "altercated on"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 Such a riveting complex analysis of the the situation. Compelling even. [flapper] [flapper] [flapper] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I would like to ask other members of this forum just when is it ok to punch someone? I am not commenting on this video as the quality is so poor it is hard to know all the events that led to this. Maybe he had other run ins with this lunatic. But I am curious. When it is ok to punch another, and what if it's a woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 I would like to ask other members of this forum just when is it ok to punch someone? I am not commenting on this video as the quality is so poor it is hard to know all the events that led to this. Maybe he had other run ins with this lunatic. But I am curious. When it is ok to punch another, and what if it's a woman? Well, to me if a love one is being attacked, then I would not hesitate to punch the attacker. What would you do in this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Why are you guys trying to make sense out of this kind of situations? hindsight is always 20/20. Situations that are of control are exactly that, humans are complex and while you think you can control a situation and what you are doing, there is no guarantee things will end your way. Going back to the first clip on this thread I am sure it is not the first time that woman started something like this and I bet in the past the other party backed out in this case she grossly miscalculated and got her *** handed to her. I bet you she will think twice before doing this again. In nature things sort themselves out, on the other hand stupid humans are protected by the law and warning labels on products. An to quote Harry in Dumb and Dumber: "It was a terrible mistake, sir. Please, believe me. I would never do anything to offend a man of your size". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblooded Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Paging Milod... we seek your wisdom in 10,000 words or less Impossible! But OTOH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I agree with Riffster. When stuff goes south it happens fast, what was the bus drive to do? Did he know she wasn't armed? Could he afford to take that chance and place passengers at risk? If he had done nothing and it turned out she was armed and hurt somebody, the guy would have been at fault for not being more aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I don't punch anyone. But I never had to. I wasn't a cop or a soldier or whatever. The video shows two bad people at their worst moment. I'm not emotionally invested in either of them. I don't ask "Who is the better person of the two?" Why would I have an affinity for somebody who's acting badly but not as badly as the worst actor around? I just robbed a bank, but that's o.k. 'cause somebody else murdered somebody. I had the crap beat out of me plenty of times. But I've never raised a hand to anybody as an adult. What I have learned is it takes a very powerful person to stand up to violence. The most powerful people are those who keep their cool while everybody else around them is freaking out. What's with the violence threads, anyway. There used to be lots of them, but I thought we got rid of the violence obsessed people. If you ask "What do y'all think about violence?", you're always going to get a rise out of people. If you don't like violence and you start a thread like this, you're naturally going to get a bunch of people arguing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepMGXMktcs&feature=related This to me is the best video of this type. We need more men like this. There is a trend of people abusing others in public and is has to be curbed. A question... If someone came up to you in the street or on a bus/train and demanded your phone or money. Would you give it to them? I just couldn't. I'd rather die than give my hard earned things away. I'd fight to the death for it. Has this happened to anyone here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 If someone came up to you in the street or on a bus/train and demanded your phone or money. Would you give it to them? I just couldn't. I'd rather die than give my hard earned things away. I'd fight to the death for it. Has this happened to anyone here? I've been robbed at gunpoint twice. You might change your mind when you're staring down the barrel of a 9 mm. I had no problem surrendering my $15. And to those who say this wouldn't have happened had I been carrying... nothing would have changed unless the robbers actually knew I was carrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We don't have many guns in the UK. Thank God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 1351307583[/url]' post='1274313']I don't care if it was a man or a woman he had no right to act as he did. Stop the bus, call the police, and let them take care of it. He should not only lose his job but I think perhaps some jail time should be considered. That will work, when and if everyone is issued a policeman to escort them. I'd rather be tried by 12 then to be carried by 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 1351434749[/url]' post='1274878']I've been robbed at gunpoint twice. You might change your mind when you're staring down the barrel of a 9 mm. I had no problem surrendering my $15. And to those who say this wouldn't have happened had I been carrying... nothing would have changed unless the robbers actually knew I was carrying. Once for me, I was 17 working at a gas station in San Jose Ca. In 1968. It is not fun to have a .38 snu nose shoved into your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub-T-123 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 What is wrong with people? I guess if the lady is trying to stab or shoot you then do whatever you have to do but come on there's nothing ok about getting in a fight with a lady like this. He could have walked away, called the cops.. There's nothing tough or honorable about treating a lady "like a man" whether they're asking for it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 1351442229[/url]' post='1274947']We don't have many guns in the UK. Thank God. I have a bunch of firearms, keep most of them locked up unless I take my grandson target shooting. I have a concealed carry permit and have no problem with others having them too. I can't imagine living in. Country where even the cops are not armed, the only ones with guns are the bad guys. Sounds like total anarchy to me. In 62 years I have had to use my firearms 3 times in response to a threat, I have been in perhaps 6 or 7 situations that resulted in a physical arltercation, I am too old to go to fist city with punks now. So I pack pepper spray and a .44 Bull Dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 What is wrong with people? I guess if the lady is trying to stab or shoot you then do whatever you have to do but come on there's nothing ok about getting in a fight with a lady like this. He could have walked away, called the cops.. There's nothing tough or honorable about treating a lady "like a man" whether they're asking for it or not. I agree, getting into it with a lady is just plain wrong. But this is not a lady. A "lady" would not behave this way. Personally, I would not like to be in ANY situation where I am punching a female. Sucks to be the dude who does. Certainly NO bragging rights to that, whatsoever. I CAN say that I have never punched a female. Never. But, I will say also that it does take a lot for me to actually punch anyone. I WILL say that I have had a couple of X's that if I had heard they were punched, It wouldn't surprise me at all, and I wouldn't want to judge the guy that did. And I would hate to be judged if I had been "that guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxson50 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I agree, getting into it with a lady is just plain wrong. But this is not a lady. A "lady" would not behave this way. Personally, I would not like to be in ANY situation where I am punching a female. Sucks to be the dude who does. Certainly NO bragging rights to that, whatsoever. I CAN say that I have never punched a female. Never. But, I will say also that it does take a lot for me to actually punch anyone. I WILL say that I have had a couple of X's that if I had heard they were punched, It wouldn't surprise me at all, and I wouldn't want to judge the guy that did. And I would hate to be judged if I had been "that guy". Well stated, I don't know where the guy was going to run to. She was blocking the door. As he is responsible for the bus and his passengers he would be a fool to run. Here is a situation faced by my dad when he was a cop, a drugged up ex-con freash out of prison was on a greyhound bus, had already beat one old lady and was attacking tanother when the drive stopped and got everyone out and locked the nutcase inside the bus, he proceeded to tear it up, ransacking peoples suit cases and smashing windows. It was 3:00 am, he was the first cop on sight. What would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaysEpiphone Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Men, women, kid's, some people are just mean! Thats what it comes down to. Some can hold there anger while others can't. And crazy people just got another addition to that if they also have anger management issue's. That's not an excuse at all, only a fact that will be dealt with as long as humans brains are wired the way they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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