can someone help me with this

[catnine]

I have one from the late 80's that has a tan PC board and all metal switch craft jackes and hard wired to the PC board and the input jack looks like a stereo jack with two contacts and has three wires, it's not like the three wire jack used on most fender amp speaker output jacks with the switch it is like they made sure it was grounded , one is the hole in the jack and one contacts the barrle of the plug, well I guess they did this because nothing is grounded to the case. and the 9 VDC 1/8" jack Model GCB-95 made in USA Jim Dunlop Benicia CA. It says on the front original crybaby in a sort of script . It also has a plug that connects all the wires to the pc board. I never used it much but the problem in the switch. It had a rubber cover over the outside of the switch. The switch works once but does not return unless I grab it with my fingers and push up just a bit and it then clicks off. If I remove the rubber cover which covers the outside of the switch all the way down to the threads then I can switch it on and off fine but then without the rubber cover it won't engage using the pedal itself. Beside this the switch is all the way up unless remove the knurled ring on the switch that locks it but then looking at the pedal where the switch makes contact there is a rough metal boss that is already digging into the rubber boot.

 

I have a much older crybaby that I got many years ago and it didn't have a bottom . It has a larger dark brown PC board and no plug connecting the wires to the pc board . It has much larger caps that are silver and seem wrapped in clear wrap and the IC is brown and and square and says TDK on it on the newer one the same part in a different spot and it is black and round shaped. The Jacks are chassis mounted like the newer one and wired the same but they are palstic housings with metal contacts not like the newest ones with Vox type jacks. The switch on the old one had a rubber pad under the pedal to contact the switch and as old as it is this still works fine , it has no rubber cover over the outside of the switch plunger. It also has carbon resisters rather than the new ceramic type. On the front lable it just says cry baby in block letters. White letters on a black lable. I have no idea how old it is but I got used in the early 80's.

 

Basically I just want the switch to work on the newer one and since I can't raise the switch higher all I can do as far as I can see is add some sort of pad to the underside of the pedal. I like the newer one because I can plug in a 9 VDC wall wart.

 

If anyone needs photo's I will get them up later today. As far as the pc boards they are nothing alike , not even close .

 

Edit: never mind , I took off the rubber cover on the switch and then found a self stick round section of thick felt I had , removed the sharp edge where the switch contacts the pedal and placed on the felt . I cut the rubber switch cover and placed that on top of the switch but then it was to easy to turn it on or off , with just the felt it works with a bit of force like the old one I have . just as the front two rubber stops compress a bit the switch clicks. If it turns on and off to easy then just using the pedal normally I can turn it off by accident. This one also using the typical 1/8 plug like a small guitar cord and the center is the positive side and the barrel is negative , same thing like pignose uses on their 7-100 amp.

[L5Larry]

I like the newer one because I can plug in a 9 VDC wall wart.

 

Dunlop makes (made) a conversion kit so you could run ANY old Cry Baby from a wall wort. I put one on my 70's Thomas Organ Company Cry Baby years ago.

[catnine]

Dunlop makes (made) a conversion kit so you could run ANY old Cry Baby from a wall wort. I put one on my 70's Thomas Organ Company Cry Baby years ago.

 

I looked at Dunlops site last night while screwing around with my pedal . When I got my new they one they only offered one crybaby now they must have ten different versions. Each a bit diiferent . Mine is called the original whatever that was back in the time when I got mine. They still sell one similar and it's the least expensive they sell at $70 mine was $99 on sale at GC back in the late 80's.

[Dub-T-123]

The TDK part is the inductor which is critical to the sound of the wah wah. Apparently the TDK inductors are pretty sought after.

 

The stereo input jack is wired in a way that disconnects the negative battery lead from the circuit when the input is unplugged in order to prolong battery life.

 

If you want to run the older one off a wall wart, you can get a small, cheap adapter from visual sound that allows you to connect a regular wall wart to the battery snap.

 

The new "original" Crybaby is horribly inferior but you can modify them to sound better.

 

Anyways you should post some pictures of the wahs (especially the guts of the old one)

[catnine]

The TDK part is the inductor which is critical to the sound of the wah wah. Apparently the TDK inductors are pretty sought after.

 

The stereo input jack is wired in a way that disconnects the negative battery lead from the circuit when the input is unplugged in order to prolong battery life.

 

If you want to run the older one off a wall wart, you can get a small, cheap adapter from visual sound that allows you to connect a regular wall wart to the battery snap.

 

The new "original" Crybaby is horribly inferior but you can modify them to sound better.

 

Anyways you should post some pictures of the wahs (especially the guts of the old one)

I'll get photo's of the old one tonight.

[catnine]

Here are the Photo's of the older Dunlop crybaby .

 

The last photo is the best I could get of the board , the TDK part has a number 5103 Japan.

The sticker on the board says 84 22865 0. I don't have the bottom cover. I know I can get one of make one I've seem them sold at AES with the rubber feet. There is a sticker on the 9 Volt battery plug 84 22382. I have no idea what they mean . This pedal inside looks nothing like the newer one I have which I got new. The old one someone gave me well used in about 1982.

[bonzoboy]

I have an old Jen Cry Baby from the late 60s-early 70s and there is absolutely no comparing the old with the new ones.The old Jen units had a real full "vomit" sound to them that was really expressive whereas the newer ones sound thin-that's unless you pay more than double the price for a "Signature" model,which I believe is a huge rip off.I think that anyone who knew a bit more than just the basics of electronics could look at the guts of a signature model compared with the regular issue and mod their standard model to signature specs for relative few dollars.I have found that the newer Vox pedals have a far superior sound to the Dung Plop Cry Baby.

[catnine]

Here is the newer craybaby I got sometime in the mid to late 80's.

 

There are no numbers on the board , the pot is smaller , the jacks are all metal, it has the 9 Volt jack , completely different. I need to clean the jack contacts on the older one and use a 9 VDC battery for now to see if it sounds better than the new one.

[catnine]

I have an old Jen Cry Baby from the late 60s-early 70s and there is absolutely no comparing the old with the new ones.The old Jen units had a real full "vomit" sound to them that was really expressive whereas the newer ones sound thin-that's unless you pay more than double the price for a "Signature" model,which I believe is a huge rip off.I think that anyone who knew a bit more than just the basics of electronics could look at the guts of a signature model compared with the regular issue and mod their standard model to signature specs for relative few dollars.I have found that the newer Vox pedals have a far superior sound to the Dung Plop Cry Baby.

I haven't used either pedal in a long time. I did check out Dunlops site and they have at least 7 or 8 sig models and the just cry baby . I will use what I have. no way am I about to pay for a sig model even if I could afford one. When I got the new one I have that was the only one they offered and it was just called the orignal cry baby. I had a gibson one as well and got it the same time as the old dunlop and it could be used as a volume pedal and wah. Someome had them lying around and gave them to me . I didn't care much for the Gibson pedal and gave it to a friend.

[catnine]

I emailed Dunlop the day I posted this . I sent them a photo of the inside and board of the old one. Today I got a reply telling me "The TDK inductor was used by Thomas Organ in the late 60’s and early 70’s I believe. If you search the internet there are a few websites with a more detailed history of the Crybaby.

 

 

 

Cheers,

 

Derek"

 

They didn't say if they looked at the photo so i have no idea if mine is from the 60's of 70's and since I don't have the bottom cover I can't tell if it's from Thomas Organ. I did try searching the net for info but didn't find any that helped.

 

edit to add photos one said to be a 1972 Thomas Organ cry baby on EB.

this is the shot they showed with the cover (which I don't have) and it is identical to the old one I have jacks and all .The seller said he replaced the pot. but there was a date code on the old one. so if his old pot said 1972 the pedal very well could have been made latter.

 

Anyway I am going to clean the jacks since they are tarnished and perhapes then try it out and if I recall the pot was scratchy and that was why I got the newer one. If all goes well then I'll get a bottom cover and the rubber feet and have two baby's.

This is the board of the same pedal which is exactly like mine . I saw a few others some had switchcraft in and out jacks but the same in all other ways. I saw a forum that had the same pedal and then there was also the gear page calling the TDK inductor the red cube of death. I have no idea what that means. Some also talk about adjusting the pots sweep , I see the gear teeth on the pot and the pedal , I suppose there is a set point , I can't say but sort of doubt the pedal I have was ever changed as far as setting the sweep.