charlie brown Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Mine looks pretty round: Sure enough! The "problem" (If you want to call it that?), with the one at my dealers, was not so much at the bottom (as shown in your photo) but, further up the sides. It was a lot "sharper" (squared off) looking and feeling, than rounded. As I had mentioned, previously, it was so much noticeable that way, that everyone that played it, commented on that. So, if those of you that have one, haven't noticed that right away...then the one at my dealers must be a "Fluke?" Everyone loved the guitar, itself, and the neck in particular... just not that particular "heel" area. Thanks, for the photo, Ant! CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant7629 Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 Sure enough! The "problem" (If you want to call it that?), with the one at my dealers, was not so much at the bottom (as shown in your photo) but, further up the sides. It was a lot "sharper" (squared off) looking and feeling, than rounded. As I had mentioned, previously, it was so much noticeable that way, that everyone that played it, commented on that. So, if those of you that have one, haven't noticed that right away...then the one at my dealers must be a "Fluke?" Everyone loved the guitar, itself, and the neck in particular... just not that particular "heel" area. Thanks, for the photo, Ant! CB Ah, I see what you mean now. I can't say I have noticed that issue on mine. In fact I would say the neck is one of the things I love most about it. Maybe it is just that one in the dealers like you say . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Ah, I see what you mean now. I can't say I have noticed that issue on mine. In fact I would say the neck is one of the things I love most about it. Maybe it is just that one in the dealers like you say . Yeah, that's entirely possible. They have others on order (include a "red" one, for me), so we'll see if they have the same "problem" or, not? I'm sure, one could/can get used to it, but at first playing, it was rather "jarringly" obvious. CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiekiduk Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ah, I see what you mean now. I can't say I have noticed that issue on mine. In fact I would say the neck is one of the things I love most about it. My neck is excellent too, as playable if not more playable than a Les Paul. It's not one of the chunky necks like on the Korea Sheraton, Dot or ES-355 those all gave me hand aches and just didn't have that pick-me-up-and-play-me-anytime feel this 1962 has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongMan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Interesting!! That one shown, seems to have a more rounded heel, than the one in my dealer's shop. Do you refer to that kind of edge where the neck runs into the heel? I did a special lighting, so it appears more pronounced than it really is. But it is indeed more "square-edged" than on Casino or ES-335. However I didn't notice any problems so far. Does anyone know, for sure, where these are made...that is, which factory, or factories, in China? My VSB version has a Qingdao China factory code. Btw.: I got the guitar back from my luthier today, after a full fret dress and setup, with new nut and bridge. Plays insanely well ;) An he found some appropriate words for the factory setup, no need to repeat here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Do you refer to that kind of edge where the neck runs into the heel? I did a special lighting, so it appears more pronounced than it really is. But it is indeed more "square-edged" than on Casino or ES-335. However I didn't notice any problems so far. My VSB version has a Qingdao China factory code. Btw.: I got the guitar back from my luthier today, after a full fret dress and setup, with new nut and bridge. Plays insanely well ;) An he found some appropriate words for the factory setup, no need to repeat here... Yeah, looks the same, as the one I played, in the store. "I" don't think it will be any "problem," really...it was just interesting, as I had never experienced it, on any or my other Epi, or Gibson guitars. My RIC 360-12 '64 has a sqaured off heel...it's not a problem, at all! So...it was more a curiosity, than a complaint, really. Although, I guess some of the other folks, that played that particular (in store) guitar, were mildly "put off," by that heel. ??? Thanks, for the photo, LongMan... Glad you really like your '62! CB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hey Kingman, may I ask what you chose for the replacement nut & bridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Stupid auto correct, not Kingman..., Longman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongMan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Hey Kingman, may I ask what you chose for the replacement nut & bridge? I went with a TUSQ nut (part number PQ6060-00) and a Gibson Nashville bridge. For the bridge I considered 3 different models of non-wire TOM, that offered pretty much the same features (Tonepros, ABM, Gibson Nashville). The Gibson was simply the cheapest of the 3. The bridge change wasn't necessary for intonation reasons, the original bridge did intonate perfectly. But that particular wired ABR-1 bridge had a persistent rattle and buzz on several notes, especially in the higher fretboard range. That's why I decided to go for a non-wire bridge, but stay as close as possible to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Does the Tusq have benefits over bone? Had you considered a drop-in Earvana compensated nut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongMan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Does the Tusq have benefits over bone? No, I guess they are comparable. Both have some benefits compared to a plastic nut. Had you considered a drop-in Earvana compensated nut? No, to be honest. So far I have not dealt with the concept of compensated nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I have one on my Bigsby equipped LP Custom and it's quite remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongMan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I have one on my Bigsby equipped LP Custom and it's quite remarkable. Interesting, what exactly is the benefit of it? And does it change the look of the guitar? In case of the Sheraton I would like to preserve the classic look of the guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It shortens the functional length of the inner strings allowing a more accurate pitch as you change chords say from an open E to a D chord for example. It really does work. http://www.earvana.com/products.htm Their drop-in shelf nut is what i'd put on the Sheraton but my LPC has the older style stepped look to it, still very functional though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I wonder why the sunburst goes so close to the edge on the ears compared to the original: I don't think that's an original Sheraton. Looks like an Elitist or a 90's reissue. The headstock shape is the best indicator of what issue any Sheraton is. I can't really see this one clearly, but it looks like the Elitist type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 I think that 1962 was the year Gibson used up the remaining stock of 5-piece maple necks left over from their purchase of Epiphone, and started using 1-piece mahogany Gibson-made necks, so the neck on the reissue is true-ish to spec. You're correct, and I'm impressed to find someone who knows this. Incidentally, according to Gibson shipping records, only nine (9) Sheratons were shipped in 1962! Wow. Do you have the totals for the other years in the original 1960's run? I've been wondering about Sheraton shipping totals in general, and I knew they were rare, but I didn't expect the number to be that low. I talked about it (particularly in terms of cherry being a relatively rare finish) in this thread, which any Sheraton lover should enjoy: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=11411759#post11411759 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I talked about it (particularly in terms of cherry being a relatively rare finish) in this thread, which any Sheraton lover should enjoy: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=11411759#post11411759 Thanks for sharing the link. Some great photos in that thread. To have an original Kalamazoo Sheraton would be a real treat. But given the rarity & pricing, it seems unlikely. Of course, a few months back I never would have thought I'd land a mint AIUSA version, so who knows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 333 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 You're correct, and I'm impressed to find someone who knows this. Wow. Do you have the totals for the other years in the original 1960's run? These are from the book, "The ES-335: Its History and Its Players" by Adrian Ingram, which chronicles the development of the Gibson ES-335 and its descendants (the Sheraton being the close Epi equivalent). By the way, I misread the 1962 total, as four (4) models of Sheratons are in the ledgers (E-212T, E-212TN, E-212TV, and E-212TNV), and I only gave the total for one (E-212T). I'll edit my previous post. The totals below* are for all Sheraton models shipped in a given year. 1959 46 1960 26 1961 57 1962 34 1963 36 1964 70 1965 91 1966 75 1967 123 1968 67 1969 44 1070 3 Red 333 (*) Assuming my math is good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Very cool info Red, thanks so much and I'm ordering that 335 book too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimR56 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Thanks for sharing the link. Some great photos in that thread. To have an original Kalamazoo Sheraton would be a real treat. But given the rarity & pricing, it seems unlikely. Of course, a few months back I never would have thought I'd land a mint AIUSA version, so who knows! I paid a lot for mine, but there was a premium to pay for the relative rarity of it being a '62, and having a cherry finish. Anyway, I've seen some nice ones from the '63-'69 years sell for far less. There was a nice clean '66 (cherry) that sold on ebay recently for under $5K. Red, thanks for those shipping numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heviduty Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I just got mine yesterday. Vintage Sunburst and it is beauitful. Mine is serial# 12081500XXX. It is# 79 of 1962. The build quality is really good and it sounds great. It came with a really good setup,this guitar plays like a $2500.00 Gibson. I have never played a Elitest but this plays way better than my Black Beauity made in Korea or any other Epiphone guitar I have played since the 60's. I wish it came with switchcraft switch and jack for the long run but overall well worth the money. I am very happy with my purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Excellent to hear! I'm waiting 2-3 months for my Cherry non-trem model but have heard nothing but praise for these guitars so I'm happy to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi_Sizzle Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Just got a call from the Guitar store, mine should be in next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Semi Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Sweet! Pics please with your glowing review?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yogi_Sizzle Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Well I won't be picking it up next week as the store is letting me do a 90 day lay-a-way. I will get to inspect it, play it a bit, because if I don't like it I will send it back and get a return of my deposit. I should be able to snap a few pics and do a mini-review. I should be able to get it in late jan/ early Feb. You can expect a full video review then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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