Ryan H Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Remember remember the 5th of November, the Gunpowder, Treason and Plot. I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Because it was a failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Because it was a failure? Or was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Newfoundland and Labrador is one of the few places in the world where Nov. 5 aka Guy Fawkes Night,is still celebrated in a big way.Although some people have bonfires of their own,just about every community in the province has its own community bonfire that is usually huge,sending flames dozens of feet into the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Because it was a failure? Or was it? ....and whether or not that was a Good Thing or a Bad Thing depends on one's viewpoint and embraces two highly emotive subjects which are probably best avoided hereabouts for the mo'......... Jus' Sayin'...... At least we get an excuse to make pretty patterns in the night sky, so all is not lost, eh?.......... Newfoundland and Labrador is one of the few places in the world where Nov. 5 aka Guy Fawkes Night,is still celebrated in a big way.Although some people have bonfires of their own,just about every community in the province has its own community bonfire that is usually huge,sending flames dozens of feet into the air. That's interesting to hear, Bonzo. Why? Are there strong allegiancies to the 'Old Country' - and matters arising thereof - in those states (if you can answer without mentioning Religion or Politics)? P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I do. It seems just like it was yesterday... :D Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselGenny Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 That's interesting to hear, Bonzo. Why? Are there strong allegiancies to the 'Old Country' - and matters arising thereof - in those states (if you can answer without mentioning Religion or Politics)?Why not ask the residents? They may simply be celebrating their roots and ethnicity. Plus 5th November celebrations can be fun! And it wasn't ALL about religion (although it was cited in this case): there were a number of factions "out for" the King at the time, apparently. Definitely Politics, though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Why not ask the residents? They may simply be celebrating their roots and ethnicity... I thought I had just done so?...........I don't know where Bonzo lives but he sounded like he was writing with personal experience. And Yes, as I said earlier, it's not all Bad/Good ('Stuff Dependant')............. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It's time it stopped. There should only be organised displays now in the UK. It's like living in a war zone . It goes on for weeks and scares the animals s**tless. I've had a dreadful few nights with my dogs. They're scared to death. Plus every year we still have children burnt by them. We've just had a child have all the skin burnt off his face because one exploded in his hand. That starts another argument. Cheap foreign fireworks. Plus the size of them. They're massive now. Like bombs. If you set one off under a car you could cause major damage. Stupid antiquated tradition. What next? Bring back hanging? Slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Point taken. Touchy subject. Probably not the best idea to post here in hindsight. I'll leave it up to the administration whether to let this topic live or not... -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 But it needs discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Let's wait for Stein to spice up the topic a bit :D (Sorry!). Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It's time it stopped. There should only be organised displays now in the UK. It's like living in a war zone . It goes on for weeks and scares the animals s**tless. I've had a dreadful few nights with my dogs. They're scared to death. Plus every year we still have children burnt by them. We've just had a child have all the skin burnt off his face because one exploded in his hand. That starts another argument. Cheap foreign fireworks. Plus the size of them. They're massive now. Like bombs. If you set one off under a car you could cause major damage. Stupid antiquated tradition. What next? Bring back hanging? Slavery? We have had a very successful organised, free Bonfire in my town here in Lancashire, up until this year. The Health & Safety zealots moved in and this year’s had to be cancelled, so what happens? Everyone has their small unorganised events, and we end up with more kids being burned by fireworks! Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 But it needs discussing. What, exactly, needs to be discussed here in the Forum, lashurst? 'Safety and Fireworks' or 'The Gunpowder Plot'? I think we would be safe with 'Safety' but 'The Gunpowder Plot' could be a powder keg.... P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Funnlily enough, I felt compelled to check out the wiki on this to find out if the colonies ever did, or still do celebrate Guy Forks' night. I found that most did and a few do now. Apparently very few parts of the US do now. I can't fathom why we still celebrate it really. It was about attempting to reintroduce a Catholic monarch and over throw the c of e. In this day and age it seems meaningless from a British perspective. Call me a curmudgeon but I hate it. Organised shows, fine but I think domestic fireworks are just noise pollution. It's been like a war zone for a month now, every night. We've even had a dented car from falling fireworks. I think domestic fireworks should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I used to love firework night as a child. Back in those days (it was a loooooooong time ago) very few people abused fireworks and let them off days before or weeks after or late at night (as what happens now). I remember the smell of bonfires and the heavy, giddy smell of "gunpowder" in the air. It was a magic night, enjoyed by many although I hasten to add I doubt that pets have ever enjoyed it. I don't enjoy it any longer for the reasons given above. It seems now an excuse for every anti-social nitwit in town to annoy the rest of us. The history of the gunpowder plot is indeed very murky and interesting. There has long been a suggestion that it was all a devious inveiglement by the secret services of the day anxious to preserve the throne against "catholic plots". Whether that is true or not, certainly the authorities seemed to be waiting for Guido and the pain and suffering (torture) visited upon the perpetrators would have been intended to send a message to plotters everywhere. Yes, it was a murky business indeed. Whether it survives as an a celebration only time will tell. Politicians and Parliament (and I don't think I am been controversial when I say this as poll after poll bears this out) have never been quite so distrusted and disdained by the general public in the UK as they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted November 6, 2012 Author Share Posted November 6, 2012 Whether that is true or not, certainly the authorities seemed to be waiting for Guido and the pain and suffering (torture) visited upon the perpetrators would have been intended to send a message to plotters everywhere. Yes, it was a murky business indeed. Fawkes never got past the noose. He jumped early and snapped his neck, so he didn't have to endure the torture. Also, on another note, it was proven that if the plot had worked, it would have destroyed the building, killed everyone inside it, and everyone within a 100-meter radius instantly. Just some little extra tidbits ;) -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 ...waiting for Guido... That's the funniest quip I've read here for yonks. Sam B. would have laughed, too. Oh Yes He Would...('tis the season, after all). P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselGenny Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It's time it stopped. There should only be organised displays now in the UK. It's like living in a war zone . It goes on for weeks and scares the animals s**tless. I've had a dreadful few nights with my dogs. They're scared to death. Plus every year we still have children burnt by them. We've just had a child have all the skin burnt off his face because one exploded in his hand. That starts another argument. Cheap foreign fireworks. Plus the size of them. They're massive now. Like bombs. If you set one off under a car you could cause major damage. Stupid antiquated tradition. What next? Bring back hanging? Slavery? Let's ban Rock Music in the UK too - very loud, damages your hearing, all those pyrotechnics to go wrong, never mind the crowd control problems at large public events, plus the language in the lyrics .... On the other hand, NOT ON YOUR NELLY !!!! The Ministry of Spoiling Everyone's Lives can keep their ideas. And another thing - bring back Maypole Dancing in spring in English Schools. No kids ever even considered the Phallic inconnotations: only guilt-ridden adults worry about things like that, and I remember having a lot of fun participating and later watching others (the dancing, not the phallic inconnotations, to all the guilt-ridden reading this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Let's ban Rock Music in the UK too - very loud, damages your hearing, all those pyrotechnics to go wrong, never mind the crowd control problems at large public events, plus the language in the lyrics .... On the other hand, NOT ON YOUR NELLY !!!! The Ministry of Spoiling Everyone's Lives can keep their ideas. And another thing - bring back Maypole Dancing in spring in English Schools. No kids ever even considered the Phallic inconnotations: only guilt-ridden adults worry about things like that, and I remember having a lot of fun participating and later watching others (the dancing, not the phallic inconnotations, to all the guilt-ridden reading this) My school did, and still does do a may pole at the summer festival, and a huge open air pageant with hundreds of kids. I still go once in a while. It's brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanH Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 It was about attempting to reintroduce a Catholic monarch and over throw the c of e. In this day and age it seems meaningless from a British perspective. You sure? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/9650708/Dissident-republican-Colin-Duffy-arrested-over-prison-officer-motorway-murder.html# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzoboy Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Hi Pippy,In answer to your question,Newfoundlanders are very attached to the "Old Country"- England/Scotland/Wales and Ireland both Northern and Eire. Just about 98% of our population can trace their roots to these countries and still adhere to almost all of their traditions.The reasons behind Guy Fawkes Night aren't really thought of on Nov. 5 as people of all denominations take part in the celebrations enthusiastically. The area of the province where I live is called The Southern Shore because it's the Southern section of the Avalon Peninsula south of the Capital city of St. John's,it's also refered to as the Irish Loop as about 99% of the people on this shore and 90 miles of road encircling the area,are direct descendants of Irish settlers who came here to escape British persecution and then to escape the Potato Famine.I am one of the very few non-Irish blooded people on the Irish Loop. BTW I have traced my family's roots to the Southwest of England,Cornwall/Devon on the maternal side and Dorset on the paternal side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Ooh-arre, Ooh-arre,Ooh-arre you anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milod Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Well... a penny for the Guy... <grin> Anyway, This is one that is functionally unknown by most U.S. folks. Or Faulks or Faux... Hmmmmm. m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Ooh-arre, Ooh-arre,Ooh-arre you anyway? Lol.. I wonder how many people understood that.. But id rather get a brand new combine arvister :) :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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