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moeman

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New to site. Hello all.

 

Attached a few pics of my "prehistoric" 1960 reissue (Classic purple plus).

Am told color is fairly rare.? Any idea what it my be worth? (for insurance reasons)

Also Guitar has a small factory blemish in lower cut away, (I've done a little homework) Seems this adds to value?

I bought her new in 1991-92. Its definetly not the same as the current 1960 version.

I hope to learn a little and share a little.

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/moe-man/DSC00918.jpg

 

 

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/moe-man/DSC00915.jpg

 

 

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/moe-man/DSC00917.jpg

 

 

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/moe-man/DSC00913.jpg

 

 

 

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/moe-man/DSC00912.jpg

 

 

 

Thanks for any input.

 

Moe

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Tim Plains

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Welcome.

Pre-historic? That looks like your everyday Classic.

Nice guitar, don't get me wrong...but I think people refer to it as a reissue in the sense that it's a historic reissue, which it's not.

I don't know...am I wrong on this one? I've been known to make mistakes from time to time...

Value wise, I'd say $1,200. $1,400 if you were here in Canada.

 

Edit: Shut up, Dave! =P~

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This What i was told a few years back on the LES PAUL forum......

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Pete Bogash

To: Kevin Moen

Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: Emailing: DSC00912, DSC00913, DSC00915, DSC00917

 

 

I just looked at it again, and you got the good one, it says Les Paul Model and the inlays look good. Take that Classic truss rod cover off and put on a plain one, and you now have what`s known as a prehistoric 1960 reissue. I had one of those. Check the binding in the cutaway, and if it looks uneven and like some filler was put in, you got one of the most desirable models. Good for you!

 

 

 

 

 

I'm positive its not like the reissues out in stores now. Is there some way to do a serial # search to verify age and how many copies were made?

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Oh' date=' ohh... its a fake. =; Quick sell it on Ebay![/quote']

 

 

O.K., Now imagine me sitting here.........

Wondering.........

What.........

 

 

Seems your Guitar Players just like me.

 

Makes me think of that old joke.....

 

How many guitar players does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

 

 

10, one to screw it in and 9 would say they could do it better.

 

I'd like to find out what i DO have not what i DON"T.

 

 

 

Is there anyone on this site with any REAL knowledge?

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and if you look , that serial number site thing doesnt do custom shop codes ....

 

the code on your guitar is a custom shop guitar .

 

as i said earlier , if you dont want to do the research online , its really quick and easy to send your pics via email to gibson customer service .

out of hours usa , they handle enquiries in europe , so you can mail now !!! no need to wait !!!

 

 

good luck

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and if you look ' date=' that serial number site thing doesnt do custom shop codes ....

 

the code on your guitar is a custom shop guitar .

 

as i said earlier , if you dont want to do the research online , its really quick and easy to send your pics via email to gibson customer service .

out of hours usa , they handle enquiries in europe , so you can mail now !!! no need to wait !!!

 

 

good luck[/quote']

 

 

Thank you Ian.

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moeman

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Me too.

 

Look' date=' you have a serial number on the back of your headstock. Call Gibson. They will tell you exactly what you have. They have a really responsive customer service team. [/quote']

 

 

Thanks, I'll look in to it. Didn't mean to come out swinging........Why is it so hard to get this answer in the first few posts, instead of all the B.S. first?

 

My appologies to all.

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could be wrong ' date=' but i thought the 1960 isnt an actual re-issue , just a guitar with a neck based on the 1960 design ???

 

not taking anything away from it , its a very cool guitar !![/quote']

 

Unlike the Reissue of today (just a guitar with a neck based on the 1960 design ???) The "pre" historic is an exact replica (Pickups, hardware and such). Putting a plain truss rod cover on it would complete the guitar.

Witch is why it has a Custom shop serial.

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Unlike the Reissue of today (just a guitar with a neck based on the 1960 design ???) The "pre" historic is an exact replica (Pickups' date=' hardware and such). Putting a plain truss rod cover on it would complete the guitar.

Witch is why it has a Custom shop serial.[/quote']

 

i realised something was wrong when i finally looked at your pictures , and re-read the first post !! =D>

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is that first number a 1 ???

 

that is the year re-issue number .

eg : 6 = 1956 re-issue .

 

second number is year made

eg : 4 = 2004

 

last 3 numbers are the serial number

This info is all correct...

if the guitar is a Custom Shop Historic reissue' date=' which this one is [u']not[/u].

 

the code on your guitar is a custom shop guitar .

See my first point. What you have is a very nice 1991 Les Paul Classic Plus. The serial number breaks down as "1" representing 1991' date=' and the remaining digits being the production number.

 

You are correct as far as it being more desirable than the later Classics. Since you asked for info, here you go. I got this from a seach on another "lespaulforum"...

 

From Vintage Guitar magazine, May 1998, Eric Shoaf's definitive article on the evolution of the Les Paul Classic:

 

"Late in the decade, Gibson's head of research and development, J.T. Riboloff, designed a reissue Les Paul based on the popular and collectible 1960 model. The key difference between this guitar and other Les Pauls in production at the time was the slim neck profile. In addition, Riboloff added other features to make the instrument faithful to the original such as a narrow headstock, thin cutaway binding, aged fingerboard inlays, inked-on serial number, nickel hardware, vintage-style logo and aged binding on body and neck.

 

The Les Paul Classic, as it was to be called, did have a couple of concessions to marketing such as a truss rod cover with "Classic" and pickguard marked "1960." The pickups came with no covers so the coils were exposed, another characteristic to differentiate it from other Les Pauls, though this was fairly realistic and a tip of the hat to those who traditionally removed covers to get a better tone on their old Pauls.

 

The Classic was introduced in 1990 with a retail price of $1,529. The least expensive Les Paul Standard at the time was the ebony finished version costing $1,169 while the sunburst model was $1,399. The Classic's higher price was justified by its reissue-yet-modern vibe and was further enhanced by availability in several sunburst finishes, and in bullion gold on the top, sides, back and neck. Most of the tops on sunburst models were plain and no extra effort was made to use fancy wood on these.

 

An immediate hit for Gibson, the Classic was tweaked further as time passed. The first change was the addition of a curly or "Plus" top in April 1991. Using maple which was deemed lacking in figure for the vaunted '59 reissue line, the Classic received nicely flamed tops and the designation Les Paul Classic Plus. Pricing was also adjusted as the Classic rose to $1,699 and the Classic Plus debuted at 2,099. By way of comparison, the '59 Reissue listed for $4,199 at the time. The Classic line continued to be a popular seller.

 

The success of the Classic and its new brother, the flamed top Classic Plus presented some difficult marketing problems for Gibson. The fact was that in many ways, the Classic was more of an accurate reissue than the '59 Les Paul of the early 1990s which still had a wide headstock, bright fingerboard and inlays, and wrong tuner bushings. The '59 did have a beefier neck and a highly flamed top, but the issue was further clouded when some highly figured Classic Plus models came to market. Wood grading is not an exact science, and some of the tops rejected for '59 reissues were in fact quite highly figured. Others had only mild flame. But with just a few easily obtainable parts, a blank truss rod cover, pickup covers, and a new pick guard, the owner of a particularly flamey Classic Plus could have a guitar that appeared to be just as nice as a '59 reissue while saving over $2,000 in the process.

 

Customers weren't the only ones who noticed this. Dealers were equally aware and they had a further beef with Gibson. As previously mentioned, tops on the Classic Plus ran the gamut from fairly mild flame to highly figured. A dealer ordering four Classic Plus models from Gibson might receive two which were nicely figured and two which were much less flamey. But the price was the same for each and explaining the difference to customers wasn't easy. The dealer gripes became louder in 1992 when the Historic Collection was announced. Dealers receiving the Historic Collection franchise were required to place a cash deposit with Gibson in order to participate in the program. Included among designated Historic Collection instruments was the Les Paul '59 reissue which, at that time, had not yet been reconfigured to Historic Collection specifications. Some dealers felt that a premium was being charged for a guitar which wasn't as faithful to the original as lower priced offerings.

 

Further, in 1992 a 1960 style slim tapered neck was mated with a '59 reissue body to create a Les Paul 1960 reissue which some customers confused with the Classic Plus until they checked the price tag. Worse, some dealers may have felt compelled to pass off a tarted-up Classic Plus as a 1960 reissue in order to improve profitability.

 

To complicate things even more, the Classic line was extended again in early 1993 with the introduction of the Premium Plus model. Responding to complaints about top grading, Gibson set up yet another line of figured tops which were nicer than "plus" tops but not as nice (in most cases) as '59 reissue tops. For dealers, the basic concern still remained: these guitars were almost like reissues for a lot less money. The only real difference between the Plus and Premium Plus was the top and the fact that the Premium designated guitars had no pickguard installed. It was delivered in the case pocket. The buyer also paid a $500 premium for the Premium Plus compared to the Plus.

 

While having the appearance of corporate bumbling, Gibson was actually trying to work out the differences and, also in 1993, they managed to get it right. The Historic Collection '59 Les Paul introduced that year was the most accurate reissue of the model to date in details which went far beyond appearances. The '59 has become the most popular of Gibson's Historic line. Still, for those who wanted the look of a '59 without the cost there was the Classic Premium Plus with a few changed parts for a lot less money. But Gibson solved that problem as well in mid-1993 when the decal on the headstock of all Classics was changed from "Les Paul Model" to "Les Paul Classic." This finally differentiated the Classic from other Les Paul models in a way which couldn't be easily tampered. Late in 1993 the binding in the cutaway of the Classic was widened, a further distancing from the '59 reissue.

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