The Aging process of Guitars

[Del Nilppeznaf]

My HB TV had her birthday a couple of weeks back. She passed her 1 year mark.

She is opening up slowly, I can definitely feel the bass response has shifted. She was a nicely balanced guitar straight from Bozeman, A/B'ing her with 3 other Gibsons on the day I picked her up told me she was right. Jeremy Morton gave her a little set up before shipping to me, and he said he had a good feeling about this one.

 

So as you know I think she is a really nice guitar. BUT

 

As some members know my first Gibson was another HB TV that had to be returned due to a neck fault.

Now that guitar sounded amazing. I remember getting her home and playing her for a few hours, then i thought I'd A/B her with my Seagull CW6, which had been my main acoustic for over 10 years.

 

( As some members know these Seagulls ( mine is a year 1999 ) are fine guitars. KSDaddy even stating his 1998? model sounds damn close to how an old Gibson should sound. And I agree.. hand made in Canada these guitars are fine instruments..at any price.)

 

I have said this before.. but that first HB TV I had, made the Seagull.. sound and FEEL like a way inferior guitar. I have been doing the same experiment over the year with my current HB and she just wasn't producing the same affect... until maybe now !!!!!

 

That first HB TV was built in 2007..and I bought her new from the only Gibson authorized store in Ireland in Aug' 2011.. making her 4 years old. I assume she had been hanging instore for those 4 years. Getting played now and again, but also surrounded by other instruments.. guitars..mandolins.. bass'es ..pianos ect'. It's a big store and instruments are constantly being played producing the sound waves that can affect the aging process ?

 

The point being...and question raised. Although that first HB TV had not had the many playing hours one would receive from being owned by a player. She was a LOT more 'open' and 'responsive' than my 1 year old with an average of say; 2 hours playing every day for her short life.

 

So do you think a 4 yr old guitar... with that kind of history ie: hanging in a music store show room.. will have 'aged' so significantly more than my 1 yr old with all those playing hours?

 

How much is purely down to the wood aging process?

 

here is an interesting article about theories why a Stradivarius violin sounds the way it does

 

http://www.time.com/...1878425,00.html

 

It's a good read, but anyway

 

I stated earlier I think my Hummingbird is starting to open up in the way I had hoped... as pondering this post I have done the A/b experiment again..and for the first time I am starting to experience the effect I have described. My 1 year old Gibson is starting to make my 14 yr old Seagull sound just a bit 'flat'.... not out of tune flat.. just FLAT....

 

This is my first real conscious attempt to experience the magical 'opening up' process of a high quality guitar.. and it's great.

Don't know if I made any valid points really.. but would be interested in other members thoughts on the aging process.

[BluesKing777]

Acoustic Guitar Mag had a good article a while back:

 

 

http://www.acousticguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=24089

 

 

 

BluesKing777.

[ParlourMan]

I know what you mean, my sideboard (All solid woods) developed a helluva heroin habit after I was listening to The Brian Jones Town Massacre on repeat for a while there.

 

Kidding aside, I think we're adding yet another layer of mysticism if we're going to say guitars surrounded by other guitars are broken in and helped along the 'tone mojo' road. Surely the elements of exposure would play a far far bigger role. Is this going to further layer the vintage market? as in, this vintage piece was surrounded by other guitars for 60 years so that'll be an extra 2k please!

I'm thrilled that you're thrilled with the guitar, Del, but come on, you accused me of talking "Bollox" the other day on here, read that post above back to yourself fella....

 

As for the aging process, I'd say based on guitar forums there was a generally favourable leaning towards aged wood sounds, how much of that is conformity and bowing down to "superior knowledge" depends on the forum and the level of challenge presented to those sweeping types of prose. But what is vintage Tone? Seems to vary quite wildly among old Martins, definitely varies wildly between old Gibsons, so many others have gone by the way side there's no old/new comparison possible. What your left with is the idea of vintage tone, that's what people are seduced by. It's the same notion as This guitar could tell a few stories, well, no it can't, it can play nicely or poorly up & down the neck, it can sound good or bad, but it's not going to charge into your room and tell you about Rita the parking lot girl and the bottle of Gin back in 58, or a few ghost stories to give ye a wee fright before your bedtime. It's all part & parcel of the romance based stuff... isn't the path to mastery found in demystifying the instrument?

[BluesKing777]

This guitar could tell a few stories, well, no it can't, it can play nicely or poorly up & down the neck, it can sound good or bad, but it's not going to charge into your room and tell you about Rita the parking lot girl and the bottle of Gin back in 58, or a few ghost stories to give ye a wee fright before your bedtime. It's all part & parcel of the romance based stuff... isn't the path to mastery found in demystifying the instrument?

 

My 1935 L50 talks!

 

 

 

I had to put my ear right near the upper F-hole and I thought it was saying: "K.....K..........K....." Oh no, was it going to say "Kill Fascists!"?

 

NO.

 

 

It was saying: "I am lonely and I would like you to buy me another guitar for me to have a friend......."

 

 

BluesKing777.

[Del Nilppeznaf]

I honestly have no clue to what you are talking about PM.

 

Why bother posting that?

 

For anyone else who reads the post, please note the question mark at the end of the statement covering my thoughts on how a guitar exposed to an environment where other instruments are constantly being played will have any effect on the opening up / aging of an instrument.

 

Sort of like the whole Tonerite debate going on in the other thread. It's a widely held belief among people that an instrument will change when exposed to sound vibrations. So i suppose according to PM there are a lot of people talking bollox. ( though he himself states Tonerite works and he has witnessed it's effects..??? Maybe he is a little unhinged? )

 

I included the link talking about Stradivarius violins because they have a much longer history than guitars..and have had much more research done on them. Oh and they cost Millions of pounds...can this mean anything???? but i have just found out that vintage tone..what ever the hell that is supposed to be.. is bollox. ( and I suppose he will reply with a load of cobblers about market forces ect ect..ffs)

 

Read the article.. it's just interesting stuff, if you are interested in what make a great instrument great.

So again if you read my post, please note the questions in it..and feel free to add any thoughts... but if your going to accuse me of talking bollox..at least make some sense if possible..and tell me how.

 

cheers for the link BK..i'll give it a read

[seanp33]

My HB TV had her birthday a couple of weeks back. She passed her 1 year mark.

She is opening up slowly, I can definitely feel the bass response has shifted. She was a nicely balanced guitar straight from Bozeman, A/B'ing her with 3 other Gibsons on the day I picked her up told me she was right. Jeremy Morton gave her a little set up before shipping to me, and he said he had a good feeling about this one.

 

So as you know I think she is a really nice guitar. BUT

 

As some members know my first Gibson was another HB TV that had to be returned due to a neck fault.

Now that guitar sounded amazing. I remember getting her home and playing her for a few hours, then i thought I'd A/B her with my Seagull CW6, which had been my main acoustic for over 10 years.

 

( As some members know these Seagulls ( mine is a year 1999 ) are fine guitars. KSDaddy even stating his 1998? model sounds damn close to how an old Gibson should sound. And I agree.. hand made in Canada these guitars are fine instruments..at any price.)

 

I have said this before.. but that first HB TV I had, made the Seagull.. sound and FEEL like a way inferior guitar. I have been doing the same experiment over the year with my current HB and she just wasn't producing the same affect... until maybe now !!!!!

 

That first HB TV was built in 2007..and I bought her new from the only Gibson authorized store in Ireland in Aug' 2011.. making her 4 years old. I assume she had been hanging instore for those 4 years. Getting played now and again, but also surrounded by other instruments.. guitars..mandolins.. bass'es ..pianos ect'. It's a big store and instruments are constantly being played producing the sound waves that can affect the aging process ?

 

The point being...and question raised. Although that first HB TV had not had the many playing hours one would receive from being owned by a player. She was a LOT more 'open' and 'responsive' than my 1 year old with an average of say; 2 hours playing every day for her short life.

 

So do you think a 4 yr old guitar... with that kind of history ie: hanging in a music store show room.. will have 'aged' so significantly more than my 1 yr old with all those playing hours?

 

How much is purely down to the wood aging process?

 

here is an interesting article about theories why a Stradivarius violin sounds the way it does

 

http://www.time.com/...1878425,00.html

 

It's a good read, but anyway

 

I stated earlier I think my Hummingbird is starting to open up in the way I had hoped... as pondering this post I have done the A/b experiment again..and for the first time I am starting to experience the effect I have described. My 1 year old Gibson is starting to make my 14 yr old Seagull sound just a bit 'flat'.... not out of tune flat.. just FLAT....

 

This is my first real conscious attempt to experience the magical 'opening up' process of a high quality guitar.. and it's great.

Don't know if I made any valid points really.. but would be interested in other members thoughts on the aging process.

 

Really enjoyed the article. My wife plays the violin...hopefully she doesn't have any ideas of buying one of those violins :)

 

I too have a TV Hummingbird, though I've only had it a few months. It the best guitar I have personally played and I look forward to growing with it. I'm interested in learning more about the aging process of guitars as well.

 

PS: I had only had an ovation celebrity acoustic before I got my HB. It's sad because it is my first guitar but I don't even want to play it at all anymore. The HB is just far better sounding and far easier to play. Thanks for the post Del.

[ParlourMan]

I honestly have no clue to what you are talking about PM.

 

Standard response, Del, anytime I call you on something you claim not to understand... Wolf, Wolf, there's a wolf...

 

Why bother posting that?

 

And if I had posted such mystic jibber-jabber you wouldn't be giving me another one of your telling offs? along with a sprinkle of 'ffs' of course. :D

 

Sort of like the whole Tonerite debate going on in the other thread. It's a widely held belief among people that an instrument will change when exposed to sound vibrations. So i suppose according to PM there are a lot of people talking bollox. ( though he himself states Tonerite works and he has witnessed it's effects..??? Maybe he is a little unhinged? )

 

So you're saying ambient sounds from a room are affecting the top of your guitar for four years rather than the general weathering it would take from exposure, this collage of mismatched music is making it more musical than say, someone using a jack-hammer in the road outside the shop, or building vibration from traffic on a busy road etc etc.. It's mystic stuff mate, come on? It sounds like you've been at the green bag, Del. I did argue that Tonerite had 'worked' on the one guitar I seen treated with it but tonerite is not musical, Del, wouldn't that further prove my point rather than weakening it?

 

I'm as big a fan of these guitars as any of us, we can talk hippy talk all day or we can keep it at the effects on a musical instrument, your thread, you choose the direction my man.

 

I included the link talking about Stradivarius violins because they have a much longer history than guitars..and have had much more research done on them. Oh and they cost Millions of pounds...can this mean anything???? but i have just found out that vintage tone..what ever the hell that is supposed to be.. is bollox. ( and I suppose he will reply with a load of cobblers about market forces ect ect..ffs)

 

There's that 'ffs' again, bravo... to be honest mate, you seem a bit more hung up on money than you often accuse me of being.

 

As for Strads, well, Jimi's Strat would cost astronomical figures too, wouldn't make it all that 'better' than another start, would it? These golden-ticket examples are based on myth and rarity, Del, nothing more.

 

Back to the topic at hand, I firmly believe playing songs on your guitar rather than playing songs at your guitar is going to help the most.

 

 

 

[Del Nilppeznaf]

Are you drunk PM?

 

Have you even read my post?

I am bored of these arguments....aren't you..I'm sure most members are. Ok you don't think ambient sound affects guitars.. cool..i was posting to get people thoughts., do you really need to be so confrontational about it though.

 

Again notice my questions in the post..they are not statements, they are questions. And I am not talking about the HB I own now. also i make no mention of Strad's ???? ( edit thought you meant Strat's, excuse em oui )

 

 

Anyway.

 

good article posted there BK.. cheers..

[ParlourMan]

Are you drunk PM?

 

Have you even read my post?

I am bored of these arguments....aren't you..I'm sure most members are. Ok you don't think ambient sound affects guitars.. cool..i was posting to get people thoughts., do you really need to be so confrontational about it though.

 

Again notice my questions in the post..they are not statements, they are questions. And I am not talking about the HB I own now. also i make no mention of Strad's ???? ( edit thought you meant Strat's, excuse em oui )

 

 

Anyway.

 

good article posted there BK.. cheers..

 

You've called me drunk and unhinged in your last two posts alone, Delboy... That's quite a personal response, twice, yet I'm confrontational? Dear oh dear... you're quite a card, Delboy.

 

Lets recap my thoughts then in a bid to salvage a discussion rather than calling me some more names:

Yes I believe direct manipulation/vibration of the instrument would be far more effective than sitting in a room where other guitars sit and are occasionally tried out.

Yes I would argue that non-musical sources of vibration (roadworks, heavy traffic, underground railways, basically anything shaking a building considerably) would have as much effect as the odd smoke on the water / stairway to heaven played by the passer by.

I do strongly believe that the elements would have a greater if not the greatest effect.

 

The questions it raises are then based on how direct the vibration is, I mean how much do you think your guitar is bubbling away on that showroom as a couple of people are playing at shop bearable volumes? More or less than a Tonerite unit? My guess is exponentially less than it would be with the TR. I suppose I should give in and say whatever ideas (because there's nothing quantifiable here) makes you happier with the guitar is fair enough. It's an individual call at the end of the day.

 

It's all part of a bigger problem, the need to make things special. We buy a really decent guitar, so then we obsess about it being as good as the really good ones of that model, those without guitar issues have pick issues, strap issues and so on... We're schooled that not all guitars open up, yet we all seem to own one, Norlin's were terrible yet most owner apologetically claim to have 'one of the good ones'.

 

If you fit a wooden door and wooden frame in the height of one season, you'll see contractions and expansions have altered it by the height of the next, same global concept loosely speaking, same effects when exposed to the elements, I don't see many people harping on about their door sound opening up after so many chaps of the knocker. It's a wooden box, it bows far more to the forces of nature than it does to an afternoon in the same room as someone giving it their best hipster version of Don't think Twice on another guitar.

 

 

 

[JuanCarlosVejar]

Del ,

 

I have a 2007 Sj 200 TV .sitka top but man I love this guitar .

so I really get the way you feel about that TV .

 

my lefty Sj 200 TV sat at Fuller's for at least 3 years before I purchased it , and it sounded great at first strum but now it's got better and beter and I know it will always be my favorite until the day I die . I'm sure people overlooked it in the store but I purchased it unseen and unplayed.

a true treasure !

 

 

 

 

JC

[j45nick]

Del ,

 

I have a 2007 Sj 200 TV .sitka top but man I love this guitar .

so I really get the way you feel about that TV .

 

my lefty Sj 200 TV sat at Fuller's for at least 3 years before I purchased it , and it sounded great at first strum but now it's got better and beter and I know it will always be my favorite until the day I die . I'm sure people overlooked it in the store but I purchased it unseen and unplayed.

a true treasure !

 

JC

 

 

Sometimes, JC, all a neglected guitar needs is a little love to come alive. (Of course, that belief led me to create "Nick's home for wayward, neglected, and abused guitars". It's an expensive charity to operate.)

[ParlourMan]

Sometimes, JC, all a neglected guitar needs is a little love to come alive. (Of course, that belief led me to create "Nick's home for wayward, neglected, and abused guitars". It's an expensive charity to operate.)

 

At least they all have each other, Nick. They must be opening up at a frightening rate being stored together like that. :D :D :D :D

 

I wonder how many guitars one model has to be near that it opens up so much it turns inside out?

[j45nick]

At least they all have each other, Nick. They must be opening up at a frightening rate being stored together like that. :D :D :D :D

 

I wonder how many guitars one model has to be near that it opens up so much it turns inside out?

 

 

I'm just hoping they will reproduce like rabbits or guppies so I don't have to go out and buy more of them.

[ParlourMan]

I'm just hoping they will reproduce like rabbits or guppies so I don't have to go out and buy more of them.

 

Sounds like you need to play some love songs to them, mate.

[Del Nilppeznaf]

While Pm continues his attempt to pour scorn onto this thread.. I would just like to make it clear;

 

Of Course I am not suggesting that the mere act of having a guitar surrounded by other guitars is going to 'open it up'... that would be bloody ridiculous wouldn't it.

 

that's why I questioned whether he had actually read the post. But maybe thats the problem.. maybe I don't make sense in my writing?.. or at least PM always seems to skew my points in his reasoning?..I really don't know!

 

To make myself clearer... I could have stated more succinctly... the Guitar i was referring to was in a very large musical store, selling many many different types of instrument.. I have been in there and you have to raise your voice to be heard sometimes..with pianos..violins..flutes..ect' being tested and played

 

 

Getting played now and again, but also surrounded by other instruments.. guitars..mandolins.. bass'es ..pianos ect'. It's a big store and instruments are constantly being played producing the sound waves that can affect the aging process ?

The point being...and question raised.

 

So do you think a 4 yr old guitar... with that kind of history ie: hanging in a music store show room.. will have 'aged' so significantly more than my 1 yr old with all those playing hours?

 

How much is purely down to the wood aging process?

 

 

 

Thats all folks... I don't see it as being such an absurd question? I am offering up a thought process, that is all. This theory is hardly news is it !.... 4 years hanging in a place where loud music is being played maybe 5 to 6 hours a day.. I think it may affect a wooden instrument.

 

But there you go... I'm a fool.

[ParlourMan]

Oooh we've moved to passive aggressive now.... mixing it up today, Del... what was it you said to me the other day, something like "Can't have a laff with you no more PM? ffs" I believe... It can't always be on your terms Delboy.... that would be selfish!

 

As I said earlier in the thread, my guess is playing songs on your guitars rather than at your guitar is likliest to have the biggest effect, aside that elements and air changes would be a bigger factor than a few verses here and there. I'm assuming the shop is not a 24 hour controlled climate and that cold air blows in as the doors open & close all day long and it's colder at night when the shop is closed etc... I'd argue all day long these factors will have more effect than any fanciful notion of it being in the same room as smoke on the water / Stairway to Heaven pretenders.

 

You did mention it was a large shop, surely the waves would be covering a rather large floor/air space then, I'd say that would lessen the effect, no?

 

Despite the obvious catty remarks, there was no direct name calling in that post, a marked improvement. Bravo, mon ami, Bravo.

[Del Nilppeznaf]

So

 

what of your posts implying I was claiming that guitars could open up simply by being surrounded by other guitars? And was talking bollox.

 

Are you now apologizing and saying you mis-read the post?

[ParlourMan]

No the undertone of my posts were that while we may disagree frequently, you usually stick to the realms of reality at least and that these new fanciful notions you were pondering were fairly ridiculous.

 

Reading between the lines it sounds like you liked the faulty HBTV more than the replacement, but after persisting with it you were finally a bit more settled with it, however by adding all manner of fictional mysticism to the story in a bid to romance it up it then makes it seem like you're trying to convince yourself more than the intended readers. Regadless of hiding behind a question mark at the end of witterings, you're promoting entirely unquantifiable ideas, it's no less ridiculous than me saying I ate Rice Krispies every day for a month and my J-45 got louder.

 

I think the ultimate point I made in this thread and the one that hopes to grasp you back into reality Delboy was "isn't the path to mastery found in demystifying the instrument?"

 

So, you may deduce that I am not making an apology, nor am I hiding AGF style fantasies behind a question mark, I am asking a direct question.

[Del Nilppeznaf]

haha..you are alot more lucid today Rodney..thankfully

 

never mind your hub bub.... what of your posts implying I was stating that ... you know the rest

 

guitars will open up beiong surrounded by other guitars

 

I made no such claim.. are you taking it back?

 

have you read BK's link to the aging process? I don't think you have have you... there are many points in it that support your line of thinking.. when you actually make sense in relation to what i am writing..and not your own skewed idea of what i am writing.

 

It goes against my questions/theroies here..so maybe give it a read.

 

PM you make think these ideas hogwash..mystical bs..fantasy...RIDICULOUS......"fictional mysticism" you are using very strong language..and throwing at at me... hmmmmm? They are not new..or even obscure. ( Get ya Tonrite out for the lads )

 

i will leave it be...and btw.. you will find the post i gave to you about not being able to have a laugh with you..was precceeded by a :( sad face..and a perplexed face I beleive..no ff's to be seen.

[Del Nilppeznaf]

new fanciful notions you were pondering were fairly ridiculous.

 

what new notions?

 

Reading between the lines it sounds like you liked the faulty HBTV more than the replacement,

 

no I was saying she was more open...

 

Another notion you seem to believe is non-sense?

 

 

Regadless of hiding behind a question mark at the end of witterings, you're promoting entirely unquantifiable ideas,

 

 

How do you hide behind a question mark.....hahahaha

 

 

it's no less ridiculous than me saying I ate Rice Krispies every day for a month and my J-45 got louder.

 

 

 

hahahahah..this takes the biscuit..it really does... WTF???

 

it beats your completely absurd notion linking doors in with musical instruyments

 

 

I have nothing to do at the mo PM..... if you really want to go on.. it could get messy.

 

You jump in my thread claiming I'm talking bs... make out im stating thing I clearly am not..and go on to attempt to ridicule me

 

Sorry other members..but i won't just ignore it any longer.

[JohnnyReb]

After reading the OP's post I thought I might weigh in on it. After reading the rest of the thread, never mind

[ParlourMan]

haha..you are alot more lucid today Rodney..thankfully

Back to snide and underhanded, that's the Del I know and love

 

I made no such claim.. are you taking it back?

 

By the same notion are you admitting that your ramblings were a half-hearted attempt to reconcile yourself to the replacement HBTV over the "one that got away"?

 

PM you make think these ideas hogwash..mystical bs..fantasy...RIDICULOUS......"fictional mysticism" you are using very strong language..and throwing at at me... hmmmmm? They are not new..or even obscure. ( Get ya Tonrite out for the lads )

 

You question the sense I make? really? What in the world is that segment meant to mean, Derek? Are you forgetting that I don't have a tonerite? Or is it an invitation for me to entice a group of males with a vibrator? As for the language, unquantifiable claims and notions such as those you pondered and hid behind a question mark on are often dismissed as ridiculous and mysticism in many fields of discussion, Derek. You may even take it as an inverted compliment that I call you ridiculous when you speak in such terms yet have admitted that I usually find you dealing with a bit more reality, ie, not ridiculous. You're awfully touchy when your abstract episodes are commented upon, Del, you may need to step away from the bitter tank, it'll give you belly acid you know...

 

was precceeded by a :( sad face..

 

Boo to the sad face, Del, I'm not a fan of the sad face at all, I'll raise you a happy face.

[E-minor7]

Appreciate the theme – always good with a little back'n'forth, especially on the hard to break-in Hummingbirds.

 

I cannot say anything precise about this, but 4 years on the shop-wall, being played again and again would probably have had an effect – also for the materials in themselves, if you accept the impossible split between being played over the period and just being alive and together for 4 years – it all adds up. Thus the general vibes in the room shouldn't be out-counted as a minor factor, now it is mentioned – difficult to measure, sure, but why strangle the thought and be a non-poet.

 

What's important is that your second Bird is in clear process (aren't we all) and that the guitar is reaching some of the same virtues as the first.

That development alone is an exiting game to witness. How high will it rise – how strong will it unfold.

I – amongst others down this river – is in the boat next to you and look forward to follow your trek.

 

Let the exchange continue as we flooooattt, paddle and dream on . . . .

[Del Nilppeznaf]

AHHH, PM

 

you have finally actually read my OP and understood it at last I sense..phew

 

I was indeed..and have been pondering the responsiveness of the replacement HB... Am I mourning for the other?..actually no. I knew this was the guitar for me as soon as I unpacked it from its shipping box and took it out of the case..and strummed her.

Well I actually fell in love with her when I first opened the case... her burst to me was way more beautiful than the other.. ..I am not ashamed to say..she took my breath away..I mean literally.

 

Do I believe in mysticism? Yes

Do I beleive in magik and alchemy? Yes

Do I follow abstraction? yes

 

Do believe all these things are an integral part of any art and music...ermm YES !

 

You with your reductionist, materialistic life reality tunnel.. you will never really get my view point. You are the one who starts derogatory remarks because you don't get it.

 

So yes I have been experimenting with my guitar.... learning from it... trying to sense the changes in her over the year.. she was brand spanking from the factory remember.... and as i said, I can feel she is slowley starting to get more 'open' and responsive.

 

I believe she will be as responsive as that first HB within 4 years..completely..and I will have been on the journey with her.

 

This is a guitar forum...aren't you supposed to be able post these kind of musing here..with out being ridiculed?

 

The idea that sound vibrations affect musical instruments has got to be at least a couple of hundred years old. It has not been 'qualified' as you seem to need it to be to fit your reality tunnel. But please refrain from making out I'm talking utter rubbish. just because you don;t believe it

 

..like you believe Braz RW is a load of bollox..despite the fact; the belief it holds unique properties for musical instruments goes back to the 19th century..and there are countless examples of lutheirs and players stating the same thing on the internet.

 

you dont need to , and shouldn't be so rude with your disbelief.

 

As a closing point to this reply.. there is very interesting scientific research being done into how sound wave will affect water.. and the crystalline shapes it forms after being exposed to certain waves and then frozen.

 

It's not easy to explain..just google it.. but when test where done after saying the word LOVE to the water...and also the word HATE.. two very different crystals formed

 

to make it simple the LOVE crystal looked..... beautiful........the HATE=..malformed and dark

 

this is nothing new,,its what mantra's from 7 thousand yr old Hidu texts have been telling us all this time.. Just science is starting to catch up

 

 

 

 

I think Stradivarius violins.... Led Belly's guitar... Miles Davis trumpet.... hold something unique and magical in them... produced by

 

waves of sound

[Del Nilppeznaf]

Appreciate the theme – always good with a little back'n'forth, especially on the hard to break-in Hummingbirds.

 

I cannot say anything precise about this, but 4 years on the shop-wall, being played again and again would probably have had an effect – also for the materials in themselves, if you accept the impossible split between being played over the period and just being alive and together for 4 years – it all adds up. Thus the general vibes in the room shouldn't be out-counted as a minor factor now it is mentioned – difficult to measure, sure, but why strangle the thought and be a non-poet.

 

What's important is that your second Bird is in clear process (aren't we all) and that the guitar is reaching some of the same virtues as the first.

That development alone is an exiting game to watch. How high will it rise – how strong will it unfold.

I – amongst others down this river – is in the boat next to you and look forward to follow your trek.

 

Let the exchange continue as we flooooattt, paddle and dream on . . . .

 

Cheers Eminor7

 

always glad there is another poet and dreamer here :)