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My last three PCs have been Toshiba.. I love the build quality of them..

 

HATE HPs.. cos I was an IT manager for a while and had to use them.. Man the amount of crap they pre-install on their machines these days is terrible.. I spend an hour just deleting all the useless rubbish. As machines they are cheap and cheerfull (IMO of course). they do the job but I wouldnt get one for myself.

 

I have a Mac too that I use Final Cut on.. Its old now so is quite slow.. BUT what I will say about Macs is that they are still the best designed machines... they look amazing.. But can be awkward to use if your not used to the OS.. The good thing is that since they have been using Intel processors you can also install a duel boot and put Windows on too.. Using a Mac as a Windows PC actually works quite well :)

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Mac is the fastest net user, but least work friendly.

 

[confused] Least work friendly? Hmmm. My wife does her department's schedule on Apple's iWorks and it opens fine in Excel. Is this the type of thing you are talking about?

 

In my house we run Mac or Google. No Windows; anywhere. I use it at work all day and need a break when I get home.

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I have an iphone 4 for private, a 4s for work. An ipad 2 for bedroom and Garage band. A laptop for normal use. An Acer v3 with an i5 processor for all other stuff. Dreadful keyboard though. It's hit and miss with the keys.

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...I love Mac hardware and looks, but I'm not fond of the OS...

I couldn't agree more re: the Mac OS. I used to use Macs - they're the industry standard in my line of work - but I find PCs so much better in so may ways it was a no-brainer when time came to upgrade.

 

Very, VERY stylish but not (IMHO) as user-friendly.

 

P.

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[confused] Least work friendly? Hmmm. My wife does her department's schedule on Apple's iWorks and it opens fine in Excel. Is this the type of thing you are talking about?

 

In my house we run Mac or Google. No Windows; anywhere. I use it at work all day and need a break when I get home.

 

Our work friendly I shoulda said. Uncle is strangely antiMac and makes it as hard as possible.

 

rct

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I bought an HP a few years ago, it has been dying since the day I bought it. The most monumental piece of sh!t ever. One day I will take it to a farm and shoot it with my shotgun.

 

Then I bought a MacBook Pro a couple of years ago and its all good. I had issues initaiil with my internet connection but it suddenly it all went away.

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I couldn't agree more re: the Mac OS. I used to use Macs - they're the industry standard in my line of work - but I find PCs so much better in so may ways it was a no-brainer when time came to upgrade.

 

Very, VERY stylish but not (IMHO) as user-friendly.

 

P.

 

 

Exactly! And if something goes wrong on a Mac, I would have no idea where to start in troubleshooting it.

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I love Mac hardware and looks, but I'm not fond of the OS...

 

I'm pretty much the exact opposite.

 

If I could have a computer with the Mac OS and Looks, but with the specs of a high-end PC, that would be my perfect machine. The Mac OS is so much more user-friendly in my opinion, less buggy and just looks beautiful compared to the clunky Windows environment. The only thing I don't like is that there are a lot of programs I use that aren't available on Mac. Especially for Gaming.

 

I especially like the Software Update utility function on Macs. All of your updates consolidated into one place. With Windows you have to go through 2 dozen install wizards just to get Java or Adobe updated. It's hideous.

 

-Ryan

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I use all three of these brands too.

 

my work issued PC is an HP Elitebook, which I currently have no control over nor can avoid. :)

 

my personal notebook is a Toshiba, running both mac OSX (hackintosh) and now the new Windows 8.

 

my main personal machine is a 27" Core i7 iMac, which I do almost all my main computing and entertainment with. I also run several versions of Windows and Linux in Parallels VM on the Mac, for both fun and testing purposes.

 

all three are quality machines FWIW, but the Mac without question gets the most use, being on 24/7 and all. I'm also told by my IT guys at work that when my issued PC comes off lease I can replace it with a macbook air, which I will do.

 

Don

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All you silly people buying pre built computers. Here is my own creation:

 

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Specs:

 

CPU: AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0GHz (4.2GHz Turbo) (Water cooled with a Corsair H60 Hydro Cooler)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme3

Graphics cards: Crossfire AMD Radeon HD 6850s @ 860/1200MHz (about to upgrade to a Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition on Thursday)

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 16GB (4x4GB) @ 1600MHz

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 640GB SATA

Monitors: ASUS VE278Q 27' LED @ 1920x1080p, Acer H233H 23' LCD @ 1920x1080p, Acer AL1912 19' LCD @ 1280x1024

Case: NZXT Switch 810 Full Tower Chassis

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Pro 64 Bit

Power Supply: Cooler Master GX 750W

 

Please tell me more about how great your Macs are. msp_rolleyes.gif

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All you silly people buying pre built computers. Here is my own creation:......

Please tell me more about how great your Macs are. msp_rolleyes.gif

Not only will it be incredibly fast but it can also double-up as a really cool bedside lamp...

 

Seriously, though; Very Nice Piece of Kit ! ! !

 

[thumbup]

 

Water-Cooled CPU ? Excuse my complete ignorance in these matters, Tman, but how, exactly, does that work? Is there a sealed-unit with liquid in the case?

 

:-k

 

P.

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Not only will it be incredibly fast but it can also double-up as a really cool bedside lamp...

 

Seriously, though; Very Nice Piece of Kit ! ! !

 

[thumbup]

 

Water-Cooled CPU ? Excuse my complete ignorance in these matters, Tman, but how, exactly, does that work? Is there a sealed-unit with liquid in the case?

 

:-k

 

P.

 

The type of water cooler that I use is what is called a closed loop water cooler. If you look at the picture, right in the middle of the motherboard, you can see a black box with the Corsair logo on it. That is called the water block. It is screwed onto the CPU socket directly on top of the processor. The side that makes contact with the top of the CPU, the bottom of the water block, is a solid piece of copper. Copper is used for direct CPU contact because it does not hold heat. Inside the block, behind the copper plate, there are small tubes which cold water is pumped through. Again look at the picture. Those black tubes coming off the water block carry water from the water block to the radiator. The radiator is mounted to a fan slot on the back of the computer case. It works much like a car radiator and has fans attached to it that help cool the water inside. When the water goes through the water block it becomes hot due to the heat coming off the processor. The hot water is pumped back to the radiator to be cooled down. Cool water is then pumped back to the water block from the radiator and the process repeats itself.

 

I hope I explained that well enough. Also, the liquid in the loop is not really water but a mixture of water and coolant.

 

EDIT: Here is a picture of the water cooler that I use when it's not mounted in the case. Might help you get a better understanding of it:

 

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I recently accidentally bought HP. I wanted another [rolleyes] , but the manager at the store have convinced me to buy this HP. It is really cheaper than the equivalent on the Intel i5. But at home I found a surprise: its motherboard have no PCI slot connectors (only PCIe) [confused] , i.e. old sound cards based on the PCI slot is not fit here. At first I was upset, but then I found that PCIe sound cards are already in the world (thank heaven [biggrin] ).

 

The second point, these PCIe slots are located in the immediate vicinity of the power supply. This is bad, of course, if to use this HP for recording with an internal sound card. In this construction this computer is only suitable for recording with an external card. But then I noticed that the power supply can be easily rearranged down to the bottom (i.e. it is far from PCIe slots where will be sound card). I probably will do so when I buy the new card.

And in general, my new HP runs very quietly (much quieter than my previous with Intel Pentium 4) and does not tire me :) .

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I'm on my second HP laptop. I know little to nothing.

 

Except, of corse, this rant. Ready?

 

I started with the top-of-the-line laptop, I wanted it to last a while, 1200 bucks. I had the money. Bought it at Best Buy, and "paid them to 'set it up'". (remember that, you'll read it again).

 

About 9 months or so later, it broke. I read on the bottom on a label, "one year warrenty", so dug up my reciept, and brought it back to the REPAIR facility in the Best Buy store. One guy says I have to send it to HP, another says they can fix it. One guy says 3 weeks, another guy says "it's an easy fix- we have the parts. 3 days".

 

Well, 3 weeks later I call and they it WILL be ready the next day (3 weeks becuase of something like "needing permission from HP). I show up the next day and it ISN'T ready because they need "start-up disk". What the hell is a "start-up disk"? I don't really care, I just ask them WHY thet didn't think to get them 3 weeks ago. And why ask me for them? "Call HP and get them" I say. "We can't call HP, and they won't give them to us anyway". Only the owner".

 

So...I'm like, Why ME? For one, I don't KNOW what this crap is. I told them, "I bought it here, paid YOU to 'set it up', and YOU are the party fixing it. I shouldn't be involved in any way or WANT to be a go-between, and I have no clue about it. I PAID you".

 

"Sir, we HAVE no phone number for HP. We have the same 1-800 number you have". OK, fine, I'LL call HP and tell them to call you.

 

Many calls later to INDIA, to guys names "Frank" and "Joe", (who can't pronounce "Frank" or "Joe"), I'm flabbergasted. I have ONE request: "CALL MY SERVICE CENTER WHICH IS THE SAME PLACE I BOUGHT IT, AND GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED". Can't do that? OK, fine, give me the phone number of the HP repair place. (Indian accent) "Sir, we have no such number. I'll be happy to have you send it there. I'll give you an address". OK, fine, give me the number for HP IN THE UNITED STATES! I was routed ALL over the world.

 

I looked in the local White pages. ALL nubbers for ANYTHING HP in Oregon. All disconnected.

 

Finally got a hold of someone on the east coast. Told them this IS a problem. If NO place exist in the USA to repair a computer, and there is no contact available, and there is no way for a repair facility to contact HP, HOW THE HELL CAN A WARRENTY BE ANY GOOD! I mean, if the thing breaks, (as it did) and it can't be fixed locally (or within 3-6 months).....and if I buy it from somewhere (anywhere) and THAT place can not fix it because they can't TALK to HP.....

 

Anyway, THAT one got stolen. On my next trip to buy, I asked the guys WHO had any kind of back-up or service for their brand. The reply was "none". So, warrenty means nothing, and paying the guys to 'set it up' means nothing, because they have no way to back it up. So, I bought what was cheapest: another HP.

 

I guess when you buy, you are on your own.

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