groovadelic Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Took some pictures of my pickguard before I reglue it - need to flatten and glue it down again. Very translucent - orange-brown color with a subtle swirl. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duluthdan Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 That would look great hanging in a window ! Even better if it was hanging on a 60s Hummingbird in my guitar rack. How do you reglue this? And - do you use clamps to secure it in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Nice otherly pictures of something very well known. Original, , , !? which year and why off. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 when I had my Hbird TV built last year I discussed the pickguard of the originals with Jeremy Fuller he told me they got more red with age and seeing these pics confirms it all the way =) . thanks JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Boy, there's a HUGE difference in the quality of the detailing on the vintage PG vs. the modern one! The modern one, shall we say politely, seems to be less finely detailed compared to the vintage one. How could they get this so wrong? The new one looks absolutely fake by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groovadelic Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 How do you reglue this? And - do you use clamps to secure it in place? I'm just using spray tack glue and some weighty objects to secure it. Clamps are definitely the way to go, but I don't have any. Original, , , !? which year and why off. . .[/size][/font] 1967. The pickguard has been lifting at a couple of edges just enough where I knew it had to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Gibson really seemed to develop a thing for those reddish pickguards in the 1960s. I am guessing the HB pickguards are screen printed which would explain the lack of fine detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duluthdan Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 1964 Hummingbird guard, hanging on the wall at Wilie's - should be in my rack. Good thing I don't live close enough to try this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I love the examples where the whites have turned yellow or are creamed down. Don't know which factors play in, nicotine ? The 1967 of the thread is perfectos, but there's another from that year on the Bay right now where the whites are much more accentuated. Though born in the same period, others f.x. early models, vary too. Although I prefer the burst more amber, the 1964 in Duluths gallery might be the quintessential 60's Bird for me - not least guard-wise. JC – not to be frugal, but have to say your flora-fauna seems a bit over-painted. If it's no issue in your camp, then of course it's no issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 JC – not to be frugal, but have to say your flora-fauna seems a bit over-painted. If it's no issue in your camp, then of course it's no issue. That was my point, really. The subtlety of the 60's PG decoration is much more appealing to my eye. Are those engraved, or what? Are the new ones engraved, or just silkcreened on the surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParlourMan Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 The subtlety of the 60's PG decoration is much more appealing to my eye. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 That was my point, really. The subtlety of the 60's PG decoration is much more appealing to my eye. Are those engraved, or what? Are the new ones engraved, or just silkcreened on the surface? @Nick & Em7 , I really take no offense =D. it is a reissue after all ... you guys are correct the new ones pale in comparison to the delicate originals =D so really no issue at all . I get that the originals had magic and I respect that =D . I actually have a bunch of photos of vintage gibsons on my ipod I love looking at the hbirds JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 It's no secret that the TV's have engraved motif opposed to the embedded of the Standards/MC's whatever. Yours JC's is a lefty and that's a whole third ball-game – could the grooves be wider ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 EA , I think you could be right mine being a lefty could not be the best version to compare here is another righty TV : JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 EA , I think you could be right mine being a lefty could not be the best version to compare here is another righty TV : JC JC, Sorry, but I think you got the short end of the stick on that pickguard. For what you probably paid for the guitar, I think you deserve better, and I would be sorely tempted to complain to someone. They look like they were done by two different people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I'm just using spray tack glue and some weighty objects to secure it. Clamps are definitely the way to go, but I don't have any. I'm surprised you aren't using the 3M adhesive sheets, which Gibson uses now, and which seem to work quite well. If you are going to use weights, by the way, a good way to do that is to cut a very slightly oversized "pickguard" out of plywood, set that over the guard, and put your weights on top of that. It really can be hard to get the right amount of pressure and good pressure distribution without clamps and backing blocks, particularly if you are trying to flatten a warped pickguard. I would not put a lot of weight on that, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 JC, Sorry, but I think you got the short end of the stick on that pickguard. For what you probably paid for the guitar, I think you deserve better, and I would be sorely tempted to complain to someone. They look like they were done by two different people! Nick , If I remember correctly Jeremy said they didn't normally do lefty hummingbird guards in Red ... so I believe this was done without a mold . Anne (Bob R's wife) has the twin to my hbird but her's is a honeyburst with a brown guard . I'll see if Bob or Anne can get a pic of the twin for comparison .I remember Jeremy told me he had to ask this red guard as a favor to someone at Bozeman .I'm not bothered by it at all. I think Robi Johns said they had found the original mold in which the 60's guards were made ... but only for righty's lol . I PM'd Bob R . I think the excess of paint could be a result of the custom/hand done job JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think the excess of paint could be a result of the custom/hand done job JC As long as you are happy, that's all that counts. I guess you lefty's have to struggle to get respect at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbiii Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Thanks for those pictures -- I love the back lit stuff. I can't come close to that, but here is a '62 Hummingbird still on the guitar and a '65 Dove. Best, -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby b Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Nice to see 'through' the original guard like that. Interesting 'variety' of HB guard materials over the years. My previous 2010 HB classic had a softish guard that had more of a faux turtleshell look and had the image printed below the surface. The one on my 2011 TV, is a similar reddish, honey-clear, material but is is void of those 'swirls' seen in the original, wonder if those developed over time? HB_TV_Pickguard by bobbyjeepyj, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Yeah, I love it how the paintwork fades into a consistent, warm yellow over time. I wonder if it could be an idea for the TV models to be painted wholy in yellow, I love that look. With your paintwork JC, the problem is they used a thicker brush than should be and hence why its so blotchy and thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanp33 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 My 2012 HB TV has the reddish pickguard and the paint seems to be pretty detailed as well. No swirl though. http://s1258.beta.photobucket.com/user/seanp331/media/IMG_0225.jpg.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I love the examples where the whites have turned yellow or are creamed down. Don't know which factors play in, nicotine ? If you are talking about the binding - generally that is just the lacquer aging although a few coats of nicotene can come into play. Back in the good old days, even if you did not smoke, it was hard to avoid acuumulating the stuff on your guitar if you gigged. You will often see the binding scraped bringing it back to white when a top is refinished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Yeah, I love it how the paintwork fades into a consistent, warm yellow over time. I wonder if it could be an idea for the TV models to be painted wholy in yellow, I love that look. More yellowish whites could be something for the TVs to come. Guess most here have forgotten, but I added some cream colour here and there on my guard in the spring. Very little, but it kinda worked (bridged the titatium-white/curry-sauce-yellow). The ol swirls should be welcome too. JC – you could remove a bit of the paint with the right material – simply thin it out. Then again it doesn't seem to represent a prob in your camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I seem to recall years ago that Fuller's would sell you a hand engraved HB pickguard made from the original molds. Not sure if they still do. I have also heard that the price tags on hand engraved pickguards can be pretty hefty - somewhere in the $250 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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