crazytrain513 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Just out of curiosity... I hear that the rosewood conflict with Gibson is slowly coming to a close, and that soon, baked maple/obeche/grenadillo fingerboards are going to start going out of phase. It seems that even chambering on LP's is slowing down now, as Gibson moves to "modern weight relief" and even solid bodies again on the new Traditionals (from my understanding). So my question is: Since the fingerboard materials and chambering have been so limited in terms of how long these materials and techniques have been used, what do you think this will do to the resale value of models that were using them? These non-traditional weight-relief methods and fingerboard materials have many purists feeling extremely cynical so could this be a "Norlin Era Part II"? Or do you think these guitars might actually appreciate in the future for having these "rare" specs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Who knows, it could go either way. Somebody could start a guitar forum rumor like some guys do when they say 2009 R8's are the best ever made for instance, or Slash could ending up saying that he loves x type of fingerboard. By the way, I was browsing for a Flying V and the specs read "American Rosewood" for the fingerboard on Sweetwater.com, I wonder what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I quite fancy the idea of a Grenadillo f'board. I don't see them becoming collectors items as there were so many thousands of them made but neither do I imagine people will avoid the likes of baked maple 'boards as these have been so well-received. The Richlite 'boards are a different matter. Not a lot of love from those who don't have them so that's possibly a sign of things to come. Personally I loved the Richlite 'boards. It seems that I was in the minority. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 As long as people fancy themselves the next Warren Buffet and look at "reasale value" before the actual value of a decent guitar in the hands of a decent guitar player using a decent amp there will always be the never ending search for that one thing that makes a guitar that is for sale special, and have a price that is way more than what the actual thing is worth. And as long as there is an internet to repeat these often ridiculous "facts" it will continue on. It won't matter that you can't hear the fingerboard on a record and nobody ever got fired for not having the period correct chambering or weight relief, it will go on anyway. It's just a guitar. If people buy them for any reason other than it is just a guitar, they'll pretty much get what they want and what they deserve. I can be pretty sure that their kids will one day look lovingly at the 2005 AnotherBurst Les Paul Calliente Supremo Bustamante Classic Custom Custom Custom Traditional Authentic Studio Non Reverse and sell it for about a grand, because it is, after all, just a guitar. Anything that isn't just a guitar is already in an overseas wharehouse or a museum. That's my experience, but it sure is fun! rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 ^ Yup. What he said. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffster Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Well said rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Who cares?! By the time any of these currently manufactured Gibson's are worth anything close to the money that the original '50's and 1960 Gibson's are worth, IF that EVER happens, we'll ALL be dust in the wind, or under the ground. Play them...forget about "investment!" Sheesh!! Gibson, will (most likely) retain their value, and maybe even increase, slightly...but, nothing like the originals. Just my 2-cent's worth... CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazytrain513 Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Who cares?! By the time any of these currently manufactured Gibson's are worth anything close to the money that the original '50's and 1960 Gibson's are worth, IF that EVER happens, we'll ALL be dust in the wind, or under the ground. Play them...forget about "investment!" Sheesh!! Gibson, will (most likely) retain their value, and maybe even increase, slightly...but, nothing like the originals. Just my 2-cent's worth... CB Oh I was just curious as I was looking through the Norlin thread. If I cared about investment, I would've sold my 1975 Flying V Natural (1/400) by now heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 ... Since the fingerboard materials and chambering have been so limited in terms of how long these materials and techniques have been used, what do you think this will do to the resale value of models that were using them? These non-traditional weight-relief methods and fingerboard materials have many purists feeling extremely cynical so could this be a "Norlin Era Part II"? Or do you think these guitars might actually appreciate in the future for having these "rare" specs? Hello! I guess it would be remembered like a second Norlin-era, despite the fact that these current ones are made with more consistent built quality then the Norlins were. There were maple-boarded Les Pauls in the mid-'70s...nobody cares about them now, or willing to pay big money for them (I like them actually). As for chambering: couple of 100 thousand of guitars were built to these specs, so nothing special about them. I am quite sure that the new, 2013 models (with Min-E-Tune and gearless machine heads) won't be in production for long either. Gibson customers are rather conservative. Gibson comes up with such innovations time to time, then they always return to tried ways of building instruments. That doesn't mean the new LPJ will become a holy grail like a '58 Flying V. ...and as someone at the Forums recently stated: Gibsons of our times, are made in huge quantites, so it's unlikely that any of these instruments will reach such heights in price as '58-'60 Les Pauls did, of which less than 2000 pieces were crafted. Cheers... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old mark Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Funny thing - I have owned 2 old LP Customs...one a 68, and one a 74, and I found very little difference between them other than the 74 had a volute. They are now both far out of my price range. As far as sound and playing, I found almost no difference at all, except maybe the '74 pups were a little stronger... I just bought a LP Special with P90's yesterday, and I assume it will come with a baked maple board, which probably make no difference whatever to the sound and feel of the guitar...but I got a great deal on it and could not pass it by. FWIW, I paid all of $400 for the '68, case included... added: I do agree that Gibson customers are very conservative-I recall that Les Paul preferred the low impedance pickups, such as on the Les Paul Recording and Personal guitars, but few people appreciated them, and the humbucker - and the P90 - are still the ONLY pickups most Gibson people will even consider. mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaysEpiphone Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 I think it will be a good marketing plan/deal for Gibson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Hello! I guess it would be remembered like a second Norlin-era, despite the fact that these current ones are made with more consistent built quality then the Norlins were. Cheers... Bence And, built on a more consistent quality level, than even the "holy grail" years, if the truth be told! I owned 2 great Gibson's from that '50-60's era, that were terrific! I Played others, that were complete "lemons," as well. So, I tend never to romanticize those early years. As in the Norlin years, and even today, as much improved (overall) as things are, there are still great ones, and "lemons" too, now and then. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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