RowdyMoon Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 ..... if we can just get them to improve the " inspect it before it leaves the factory " thing we would be ok....Here's the nut on the 50th anniversary Robby K I bought from a music shop in the States so I couldn't test run it..it was to some degree sight unseen...altho I did see actual pics of it....my point is this, as an ex furniture re-finisher I can replace the nut with no problem but considering the price of these products I shouldn't have to....I know I can call Gibson and they might say we would fix it however it would involve me shipping it to them ( how much cost?) and then possibly waiting for who knows how long and then ship it back to me.....honestly what a pain in the ***...easier for me to bite the bullet and fix it myself.....so please...love ya Gibson but please please please inspect your products better before shipping them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavestate Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 ..... if we can just get them to improve the " inspect it before it leaves the factory " thing we would be ok....Here's the nut on the 50th anniversary Robby K I bought from a music shop in the States so I couldn't test run it..it was to some degree sight unseen...altho I did see actual pics of it....my point is this, as an ex furniture re-finisher I can replace the nut with no problem but considering the price of these products I shouldn't have to....I know I can call Gibson and they might say we would fix it however it would involve me shipping it to them ( how much cost?) and then possibly waiting for who knows how long and then ship it back to me.....honestly what a pain in the ***...easier for me to bite the bullet and fix it myself.....so please...love ya Gibson but please please please inspect your products better before shipping them out. And get rid of those cheap playskool looking guitars you're putting out and actually finnish them to a shine than rather cop-out with that satin bull-shyt. I played dozens of newer Gibsons from 2012 in my locals stores and I can't stand them. I'm so grateful I picked up my SG standard when I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesguitar65 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 And get rid of those cheap playskool looking guitars you're putting out and actually finnish them to a shine than rather cop-out with that satin bull-shyt. I played dozens of newer Gibsons from 2012 in my locals stores and I can't stand them. I'm so grateful I picked up my SG standard when I did. DITTO Specially before Gibson stopped using "ROSEWOOD" fingerboards for the SG Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Man_Curtis Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 DITTO Specially before Gibson stopped using "ROSEWOOD" fingerboards for the SG Standards. Saving money by building in China or the Pacific rim countries has its downside and that is quality. Considering musical instruments are not shirts/slacks/shoes that we buy frequently it seems more emphasis from Gibson—and other makers—should be put on quality. Why not find a company here in the good ole USA that will do a 'quality' job and use them to make future guitars? At least we can pick up the phone and talk to the building company or easily ship it to them for repairs. Oh well, Cat_Man_Curtis would make a great CEO for Gibson, but sadly it's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Wow that's not good. I've been fortunate enough to play all my Gibsons before buying them. I love them all but each one does have a minor flaw, like a paint bleed, a little chip, etc. That doesn't bother me. But (yeah I know the perennial "but" again appears), I have never played a PRS or a Taylor that had any flaw. That's why I had no issues buying my PRS sight unseen. When I got it, the guitar was perfect, e.g. the tuning and intonation were spot on. Some people actually complain that these guitars are too perfect. To each their own I guess. For me, I love my Gibsons and absolutely would buy more, but I wouldn't do it sight unseen. Living within an hour of the famous HOG makes it easy for me, so I consider myself lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You know god damn long i've been on this forum? You know what the people asked for? The most common asked thing by Gibson and non Gibson guitar players wanted? Cheap Gibsons. No, they wanted Gibsons to be cheaper and MIA. A hard task, but none the less Gibson has done it, unlike Fender. And we have them, sure they may have stain finishes, synthetic materials and a few other cost saving things but we have them. Cheap Gibsons! Now people complain Gibson are too cheap. Ha, what a joke! I can still find Reissues that shine like a diamond. Oh and the quality issues? Always been around, i may not have been alive in the 80's, but they *****ed that time too. And the people who buy new guitars without playing them? Foolish! Used, i can understand...but new? These are the same guys who buy a car without test driving it? Ha... You know hes a Gibson player when he *****es and moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You know god damn long i've been on this forum? You know what the people asked for? The most common asked thing by Gibson and non Gibson guitar players wanted? Cheap Gibsons. No, they wanted Gibsons to be cheaper and MIA. A hard task, but none the less Gibson has done it, unlike Fender. And we have them, sure they may have stain finishes, synthetic materials and a few other cost saving things but we have them. Cheap Gibsons! Now people complain Gibson are too cheap. I agree, but I wonder...isn't Epiphone a cheap Gibson. Asking for a cheap Gibson is like asking for a cheap "call girl". Why would Gibson not tell these people, "please go to the corner, under the lamp post you'll find an Epiphone, she'll deliver what you need within your price range"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 ..... if we can just get them to improve the " inspect it before it leaves the factory " thing we would be ok....Here's the nut on the 50th anniversary Robby K I bought from a music shop in the States so I couldn't test run it..it was to some degree sight unseen...altho I did see actual pics of it....my point is this, as an ex furniture re-finisher I can replace the nut with no problem but considering the price of these products I shouldn't have to....I know I can call Gibson and they might say we would fix it however it would involve me shipping it to them ( how much cost?) and then possibly waiting for who knows how long and then ship it back to me.....honestly what a pain in the ***...easier for me to bite the bullet and fix it myself.....so please...love ya Gibson but please please please inspect your products better before shipping them out. I apprciate your dilemna, but complaining in an internet forum isn't going to do anything. As much a pain in thea ss it is for you it is for them. If I were you, I'd take it to an authorized dealer and let them have the hassle if you can do without the guitar for a while. The only thing that will change it is guitars coming back in the door, hassle as it might be. Good luck with it, I hope you fix it and enjoy it. I can't see the picture for some odd reason. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanMan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I agree, but I wonder...isn't Epiphone a cheap Gibson. Asking for a cheap Gibson is like asking for a cheap "call girl". Why would Gibson not tell these people, "please go to the corner, under the lamp post you'll find an Epiphone, she'll deliver what you need within your price range"? You slay me! [lol] [lol] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quapman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You know what the people asked for? The most common asked thing by Gibson and non Gibson guitar players wanted? Cheap Gibsons. No, they wanted Gibsons to be cheaper and MIA. I agree. Isn't that what the studio was all about? That said the fit and finish on my CC is impeccable. There is no single flaw on it. And for around $1800 I may expect more than a synthetic nut but I can't complain. It is otherwise flawless. But I agree with Dem00n. People want cheaper product and then when they get it they complain about it. But this isn't limited to Gibson. It's a reflection of the entire manufacturing industry in North America. I try my best to buy local (I"m in Canada) so if it can be made here great. my 2nd choice is MIA, anywhere else,, its all cheap crap. There is no quality in the overseas garbage we get. But I only blame ourselves. People swarm to the walmarts and the dollar stores for the best prices on Made in China garbage that is half the price of locally made product. For me, I would rather spend more and never have to buy that item again. I support local business over box store. I support made in North America over anywhere else. Buy local. At least when you complain about it it usually gets some action to resolve. Try sending that cheap nut back to China for repairs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I apprciate your dilemna, but complaining in an internet forum isn't going to do anything. As much a pain in thea ss it is for you it is for them. If I were you, I'd take it to an authorized dealer and let them have the hassle if you can do without the guitar for a while. The only thing that will change it is guitars coming back in the door, hassle as it might be. Good luck with it, I hope you fix it and enjoy it. I can't see the picture for some odd reason. rct Maybe he wanted to know if others had a similar opinion or expirience...though I would have posted it as a question to peers rather than a question to the faceless entity that sponsors this site. Either way, the authorized dealer idea is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Either I'm the luckiest cat on earth or my standards are impossibly low . I go the guitar stores about 4 or 5 times a month. I play tons of new guitars ,most of them Gibsons, and I never see these flaws and QC issues I'm constantly hearing about. It's good to be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I agree, but I wonder...isn't Epiphone a cheap Gibson. Asking for a cheap Gibson is like asking for a cheap "call girl". Why would Gibson not tell these people, "please go to the corner, under the lamp post you'll find an Epiphone, she'll deliver what you need within your price range"? Because it doesn't have the Gibson name on the headstock. If a kid sees Slash playing a Gibson Les Paul...then he will want a Gibson Les Paul. Not an Epiphone Les Paul. That is one of the thousands reasons why people want Gibson's instead of Epi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXE® Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 dem00n. hold me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem00n Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Last time i held you Axe you posted pictures of our secret moments on the lawn mower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Because it doesn't have the Gibson name on the headstock. If a kid sees Slash playing a Gibson Les Paul...then he will want a Gibson Les Paul. Not an Epiphone Les Paul. That is one of the thousands reasons why people want Gibson's instead of Epi's. People are that dumb?! But Gibson doesn't have to cater..............oh never-f***ing-mind! Sticking feathers up your a$$ does not make you a chiken. -Fight Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 My Geddy Lee Jazz Bass is made in Japan. It kicks a$$!! I'm not a bass player but my brother is and his main bass is a Rickenbacker 4003. Once he picked up my bass he was sold though. His only complaint was that it wasn't easy to reach the upper frets. He told me he liked it better than any American series bass. BTW, it's ok to complain here. We're the support group. AXE® will bring the cookies and dem00n will supply the hugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 A phone call and you may or may not get some help and the only people who know about the problem is you and the guy on the phone.....he may or may not care about your issue, he may or may not fix you problem....this board is read buy all including Gibson ( maybe)...my point is not to bad mouth Gibson ( I don't believe I did that), they have some great product. But it looks bad on them and is a pain to the customer that product gets out to the store with problems. We are not talking about a 20 dollar item here, we are talking about a $1000 to $4000 item.If you want quality you are going to pay more, we all know and accept that.......would you pay $2500 for amp that you ordered and when you get it the tolex is ripped or 2 or 5 tubes are gone...I really don't think most companies would even send that to you..would you be ok with defective product? Most music stores don't carry every item so a lot of time things have to be ordered.....don't like the feel, don't like the color, don't like the sound,don't like the price..none of that is Gibsons fault......get one with a pup that doesnt't work, runs in the finish, a bad cut nut, rusty tuners...none of that should leave the factory....just sayin'.......I agree with Izzy...epi is and should be the " cheaper" Gibson...with a 300 to 700 dollar price tag....but a $2500 ( or more) guitar should be darn near perfect...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'm confused. What we fighting for? Can I get a few smacks in? We get what we pay for. I went to GC the other day, and saw some pretty darnded cheap Gibby's. Pretty cool you can get a rea; Gibby Special for 500 or so bones. Now, if I want shiney, or more upper range, I can get a pretty damned good example for 1600-1800 new. If I want the best of the best, I can spend more. WAY more if I want. And that's just Gibson. They are doing the "cheap" pretty good, too. If it has a satin finish and lacks bling, does that mean it isn't a quality "instrument"? Evaluating what makes a good INSTRUMENT means how well it can do that particular job. It has nothing to do with finish perfection. I am going to go so far to say that if those are the first considerations, and there is no mention of resonance, tuning, playability, feel, clarity, interaction between notes, overtones, voicing, fidelity, or any other musical description or requirement, maybe there isn't enough knowledge there to form an opinion on what a quality maker of instruments should be building. Just sayin'. If I am going to drop serious coin on a guitar, the finish is at the bottom of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I need a god damned hug. I went to eat a cookie my woman made me, and it had a damned finish flaw in it. A piece of chocolate was too far in the nut. I thought something was wrong, so I looked real, real, REAL close, and I saw there was suger on the top that wasn't completely even. Fortune cookies are flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender 4 Life Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Maybe he wanted to know if others had a similar opinion or expirience...though I would have posted it as a question to peers rather than a question to the faceless entity that sponsors this site. Either way, the authorized dealer idea is good not always such a good idea Izz.... a few yrs back my LPs electronics got fried (as in melted the insulation off my wiring & burnt up pots & 3-way)in an antique tube-amp grounding mishap. it spent 5 weeks at "authorized repair shop" #1.....got it home & it played about 10 minutes before the neck p'up circuit went dead. spent 3 weeks at "authorized repair shop" #2....got it home, sounded terrible, quit playing after about 5 or 6 minutes.....opened it up, none of the pots matched, none were Gibby pots, and 1 was even a Squire mini pot.....and several wires were literally just waving at me, un-soldered. shop #2 also broke the "top limiter ribbon" on my case. read up on wiring, watched youtube vids on LP repairs re: wiring, and came in here and asked a few questions, to which I got great advice from several fellow forumites.....bought all new electronics & wire and laid into it myself. 3 yrs later, still plays perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctguy1955 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I apprciate your dilemna, but complaining in an internet forum isn't going to do anything. As much a pain in thea ss it is for you it is for them. If I were you, I'd take it to an authorized dealer and let them have the hassle if you can do without the guitar for a while. The only thing that will change it is guitars coming back in the door, hassle as it might be. Good luck with it, I hope you fix it and enjoy it. I can't see the picture for some odd reason. rct I had to send my 2012 Studio back to Nashville TWICE because of bringing it to a local authorized Luthier and HE dented my guitar twice and never fixed the neck, the truss rod nut is hand tight and the neck is as straight as can be, so you cant get any relief to bow the neck to get rid of the buzz. Nashville did a great job on fixing the dents that the luthier put in my brand new guitar and HE kept my guitar for months, Nashville sent it back in weeks. Nashville is the Best in my book ( just wish they would do a little bit better of a job with QC, before shipping out). http://s968.photobucket.com/albums/ae168/CTguy1955/BLEMISH.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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