Rabs Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So im pretty sure I know the answer to this.. BUT I dont know what the mod does or how it would potentially change the sound of the guitar (if at all).. Now its not really a shock to me as I bought it second hand and the guy had sanded the top down to a natural colour.. BUT hed left the back and sides and neck cherry.. which looked odd to me.. So I bought it (having checked the serial number) for £300 which for a Gibson I thought was pretty good even if modded. I actually re-sprayed and colour matched the top. Anyway I digress a bit.. So as some of you know im doing my own build and am basing it off my DC Junior so for the first time I took the back off an was presented with this... So im assuming its been modded then :) Or is it a phase they went through (its a 2005 model).? All I know is that it sounds good and I love it.. I was just interested to see what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjmwrx Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Those look like Sprague Orange Drops. I've personally never seen em in a Gibson before stock. 2008 Standard modded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Those look like Sprague Orange Drops. I've personally never seen em in a Gibson before stock. Yeah Ive heard of Orange Drops on here a few times.. So cheers for that (if thats what they are).. How do they effect the electonics/sound? Do they like let more through as such as they are larger capacity? Or is it a quality of sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjmwrx Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah Ive heard of Orange Drops on here a few times.. So cheers for that (if thats what they are).. How do they effect the electonics/sound? Do they like let more through as such as they are larger capacity? Or is it a quality of sound? Honestly, I would say they add a little more clarity, and definition between the notes. That's what I noticed most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The Gibson Factory Tour video thread on this board is worth a watch. The video pans over the parts bins at an assemblers work station, and those "orange drop" capacitors are clearly visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yeah Ive heard of Orange Drops on here a few times.. So cheers for that (if thats what they are).. How do they effect the electonics/sound? Do they like let more through as such as they are larger capacity? Or is it a quality of sound? I hear alot about tone caps. If you leave your tone knob up all the way it is not giong to make a difference in the sound. It only matters when you turn the tone knob down some. Similiar to have the string nut changed to a different material. If your going to just play open chords it will make a difference but if you bar chords and play lead around the fret board you have not changed anything. Have fun, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxicpizza73 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hi Yeah,It`s modded (and to me,in a good way) :) -NOT factory-done solderings -CTS (quality) potmeter for bridge (lower left on the picture)..Could it maybe be a CTS 500k?? (the value should be printed on top of it)..Stock is normally Gibson 300k for volume..- It is printed Gibson on at least 2 potmeters there, They looks stock!,The 4th potmeter to the far upper right in the first picture,I dunno,I cannot read it! :blink: -Orange drops capacitors (many prefer them instead of the stock ceramic capacitors) -50`s style LP-wiring (the old-school wiring,some prefer them to brighten,clear up the tone,also for maintaining gain when volume is adjusted down,Short said: -The volume is wired BEFORE the tone in the circuit,instead of after) ..300£ for a Gibson,sounds like a nice deal,Please show us photo of the whole guitar! :) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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badbluesplayer Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Yes - it looks like it has had one of the volume controls replaced and it's been rewired in a axx-backward attempt at 50's style with 0.022 uf orange drop caps. I don't recognize that exact wiring scheme, but it's not exactly 50's style. It would be 50's style if the caps were rewired to the center lugs of the volume controls. When I rewire my LP, I'm going to wire it modern style with treble bleed circuits on the volume controls. I really like the way that wiring sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxicpizza73 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 ..It would be 50's style if the caps were rewired to the center lugs of the volume controls. Badbluesplayer,Your`e correct about this! :) I just checked,A bit odd wiring to me,The volume is soldered as modern,but the tone as 50`s style (?) :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hi Yeah,It`s modded (and to me,in a good way) :) -NOT factory-done solderings -CTS (quality) potmeter for bridge (lower left on the picture)..Could it maybe be a CTS 500k?? (the value should be printed on top of it)..Stock is normally Gibson 300k for volume..- It is printed Gibson on at least 2 potmeters there, They looks stock!,The 4th potmeter to the far upper right in the first picture,I dunno,I cannot read it! :blink: -Orange drops capacitors (many prefer them instead of the stock ceramic capacitors) -50`s style LP-wiring (the old-school wiring,some prefer them to brighten,clear up the tone,also for maintaining gain when volume is adjusted down,Short said: -The volume is wired BEFORE the tone in the circuit,instad of after) ..300£ for a Gibson,sounds like a nice deal,Please show us photo of the whole guitar! :) Cheers Thanks for all the info guys.. Helps me to build a picture of whats going on.. And Badblues, yup your totally right.. I just had another look.. The Volume on the bridge pup has had the pot replaced with a 500k pot.. The others say Gibson on them so I assume are stock.. So tell me.. Ive had a look at wiring diagrams and have never seen the Yellow wire that goes around each pot in a circle? Whats that for.. (my Studio is wired like that too and is stock as I havent changed it and it was bought new).. And here is the guitar in question.. Its an old video now and just distorted. BUT I will say, I LOVE this guitar, sounds and plays amazingly (my playing is so so, but this vid is nearly 4 years old now :)). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXAJoN6huWI and here it is with its brothers :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxicpizza73 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So tell me.. Ive had a look at wiring diagrams and have never seen the Yellow wire that goes around each pot in a circle? Whats that for.. (my Studio is wired like that too and is stock as I havent changed it and it was bought new).. The yellow is just ground,all the pots,your jack & bridge should be soldered together with a ground-wire (to avoid hum,buzz&ground-problems). Pots are normally soldered together "in a circle" ,and some guitars have a metal-plate in the cavity with the pots installed on,It works as a "grounding-pool" ! Btw,higher values on the volume-pots is a way to brighten up a "dark voiced"/sounding guitar ! -Nice collection you`ve got there ! :) Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 The yellow is just ground,all the pots,your jack & bridge should be soldered together (to avoid hum,buzz&ground-problems) Pots are normally soldered together "in a circle" ,and some guitars have a metal-plate in the cavity with the pots installed on,It works as a "grounding-pool" ! -Nice collection you`ve got there ! :) Cheers Cheers man....yeah I thought thats what it may be so its good to get it confirmed.. Cos as I say im doing my own build at the moment so im learning about all of this.. I knew a fair amount about the wood and how guitars are built but know very little about the wiring.. I only found out the other day that you need to ground the bridge (which im REALLY glad I found out :)) And yeah I love my guitars so much.. all im missing is a semi hollow which will be my next purchase (when I can afford it ;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxicpizza73 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I only found out the other day that you need to ground the bridge (which im REALLY glad I found out :)) And yeah I love my guitars so much.. all im missing is a semi hollow which will be my next purchase (when I can afford it ;)) -The bridge-ground on your guitar,is the wire on your first photo, with the black "electro-tape" wrapped around !..Ground is important to keep your guitar free for static noises,hums,crackly sounds ,etc !..ALL the grounds must be connected/wired together! :) -A semi-hollow?,I`ve had an ES-335 Cherry red couple of years ago,It sounded really AMAZING and it was the guitar with the best sustain I ever had,fast and nice neck too..I unfortunately had to sell it a little later cause of tax-problems that year , It sounded really FAT & "woody"..Damn,Someday I`ll maybe get another one! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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