RowdyMoon Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Because of the angle(s) and the position I can't get a low action on this guitar...first pic shows what it is, second pic shows what happens with bridge lowered and 3rd pic shows ( with me holding it down) what I think should be the correct position....thoughts? am I wrong on this? maybe there is something I am missing so looking for another set of eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 just a pic showing the lowest she'll go and still be playable because of the bridge/ meastro height.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Where is the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 ok first post edited...see now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtim Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Pics??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sellen Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think the angle between the neck and body are different on vintage andcustom shop sg's. The maestro are design to fit those guitars, so it might not be a perfect fit on newer models. I might be wrong but thats my thoughts around it Edit- and i thought wrong, BigK and charlie has the solution to your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 . Looking at the pics, the spring steel isn't sitting on the body of the guitar. On my 65 Melody Maker with Maestro, the spring steel rests on the body - your's looks like it's 1/4 inch above the body. I looked for another pic from the side of a more recent model SG with a Lyre, but couldn't find one, so I'm not sure if this is SOP for current installations. And yes, my Maestro operates as it should even with the spring steel resting on the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Mine too (2013 SG "Original"), has the spring mechanism, resting on the body: CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Rowdy Moon, is your bridge screwed all the way down? I.E. as low as it will go? In the first photo, it seems to be mid-way, as there is some anchor screw showing, whereas the other two (later) photos, seem to show it adjusted all the way down. Was the "action" indication photo made, when the bridge was up, or down? If down, you may need either a Truss Rod adjustment, or...at worst, a neck reset. The Maestro adjustment, to place the spring on the body, would only increase the angle (and tension) of the strings from it, to the bridge. The Bridge, along with neck angle, dictates the action height. Good Luck, whatever you end up doing! :unsure: CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjsinla Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 1359589864[/url]' post='1319945']Because of the angle(s) and the position I can't get a low action on this guitar...first pic shows what it is, second pic shows what happens with bridge lowered and 3rd pic shows ( with me holding it down) what I think should be the correct position....thoughts? am I wrong on this? maybe there is something I am missing so looking for another set of eyes. Did you have to raise the pole pieces? That pickup is at quite an angle. Is that the way all these are made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 Did you have to raise the pole pieces? That pickup is at quite an angle. Is that the way all these are made? The pickup angle is factory...the pole pieces was just me experimenting with settings not permanent...the string hieght is showing the lowest I cn set to still using the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 2, 2013 Author Share Posted February 2, 2013 So it looks as tho resting on he body is the way it needs to be set...question is....how do I get it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg50 Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 How does it look when strings are de-tensioned? does it sit flat then? I read through this thread http://www.everythingsg.com/forum/gibson-sg/18835-gibson-sg-lyre-maestro-vibrola-falling-off.html And folks were talking about Spring Plate Pins. I've never played with a maestro, so I can't offer any advice that isn't just academic. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Hmmmmm...something interesting....IF you go to the Gibson guitars (SG) site, look at the "spec's" photos, for the Jeff Tweedy model ('61), the Lyre-Maestro, depicted (bottom most shot), shows the curved "spring" NOT resting on the body, but like RoudyMoon's original photo. I (also) found out, this PM, from my dealer, that the "First Batch" of SG "Original's" Lyre's, were "faulty!" This comes straight from their Gibson rep, and only represents a few, in the "very first batch." Gibson has, subsequently, rememdied the problem, we're told. They did offer, to "fix" mine (replace the faulty one)...IF I would send my guitar back to Nashville. My dealer's luthier, who I've dealt with for years, now...has asked if they will agree to send the new unit, to him...and He will put it on, there, at the dealership, so as not to risk my guitar (lost, stolen, or broken) in shipping it, back and forth. And, it would be not only a LOT more convenient, for me, but time saving, as well. We're still waiting, on that answer. I'll keep you all informed, as things progress...or not. So, the photos of mine, apparently are NOT the way it "should' look, after all?! (Sigh!) To be honest, I don't remember, what the curved "spring" plate, looked like, on my Vintage Gibson's...I just know they worked, properly, for their design. And, the handle(s) easily swung out of the way, without crashing into the tone/volume knobs, and the selector switch. Which, unfortunately, my new one does not. Cheers, CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 . Interesting CB. I saw your post over in R&R. Curious to see how this works out for you. Good luck. . B) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Hmmmmm...something interesting....IF you go to the Gibson guitars (SG) site, look at the "spec's" photos, for the Jeff Tweedy model ('61), the Lyre-Maestro, depicted (bottom most shot), shows the curved "spring" NOT resting on the body, but like RoudyMoon's original photo. I (also) found out, this PM, from my dealer, that the "First Batch" of SG "Original's" Lyre's, were "faulty!" This comes straight from their Gibson rep, and only represents a few, in the "very first batch." Gibson has, subsequently, rememdied the problem, we're told. They did offer, to "fix" mine (replace the faulty one)...IF I would send my guitar back to Nashville. My dealer's luthier, who I've dealt with for years, now...has asked if they will agree to send the new unit, to him...and He will put it on, there, at the dealership, so as not to risk my guitar (lost, stolen, or broken) in shipping it, back and forth. And, it would be not only a LOT more convenient, for me, but time saving, as well. We're still waiting, on that answer. I'll keep you all informed, as things progress...or not. So, the photos of mine, apparently are NOT the way it "should' look, after all?! (Sigh!) To be honest, I don't remember, what the curved "spring" plate, looked like, on my Vintage Gibson's...I just know they worked, properly, for their design. And, the handle(s) easily swung out of the way, without crashing into the tone/volume knobs, and the selector switch. Which, unfortunately, my new one does not. Cheers, CB Keep us posted about the outcome, I am sure mine is faulty as well but seeing as I bought it " used" I am prob screwed.......in your post are you referring to the 2013 pic you posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Keep us posted about the outcome, I am sure mine is faulty as well but seeing as I bought it " used" I am prob screwed.......in your post are you referring to the 2013 pic you posted? Yes, my photos show the Maestro on my New 2013 SG "Original." I have recieved (just this morning) a message, from Gibson's CS...stating: "Looking into this issue as well for you - we did receive your email and appreciate the photos you've posted of the problem. I understand that your dealer is assisting, but we've also requested a solution asap from the Gibson USA QC team and Plant Manager." Umtil that time, we wait... :unsure: CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 . Interesting CB. I saw your post over in R&R. Curious to see how this works out for you. Good luck. . B) . Thanks, Kahune...I'm quite sure, they'll do right, by me. I've had (so far) really good experiences, with Gibson's Customer Service, regarding past "glitches," etc. So, here's hoping that will continue to be the case! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The latest, from Gibson CS: Charlie, I can have the replacement Maestro sent to you, or to your dealer if you prefer. Please let me know your address and phone# if you'd like it shipped direct to you. We'll just need to have the defective Maestro returned once the new one is installed, I can take care of the return shipping as well. Thanks! Jason Thankyou, to Jason, and Gibson's Great Customer Service team! They've never let me down, yet! CB P.S. Sorry, RowdyMoon, for kind of "Hijacking" your thread. Hopefully, some of the information, will be helpful, to you, as well?! :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 The latest, from Gibson CS: Charlie, I can have the replacement Maestro sent to you, or to your dealer if you prefer. Please let me know your address and phone# if you'd like it shipped direct to you. We'll just need to have the defective Maestro returned once the new one is installed, I can take care of the return shipping as well. Thanks! Jason Thankyou, to Jason, and Gibson's Great Customer Service team! They've never let me down, yet! CB P.S. Sorry, RowdyMoon, for kind of "Hijacking" your thread. Hopefully, some of the information, will be helpful, to you, as well?! :unsure: Izza no problem, all part of the same topic anyways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The latest, from Gibson CS: Charlie, I can have the replacement Maestro sent to you . . . . Nice CB . . . . glad to see Gibson C/S is worthy of your faith. . B) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Nice CB . . . . glad to see Gibson C/S is worthy of your faith. . B) . Me too, Kahune...but, I've always had good experiences, with Gibson's CS. Glad, that it continues! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoDave Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Did you have to raise the pole pieces? That pickup is at quite an angle. Is that the way all these are made? I have SG and mu pickups are level/parallel to body/pick guard. Maybe after ya get the Maestro sorted, you can take a second look at them pickups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie brown Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 New photos (at the bottom of link page), of the new (replacement) Lyre/Maestro Vibrola. Works a LOT better, and I can move it, easily, to rest agains the tailpiece, which was impossible, before. All is back to Awesome, once again. http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/97368-new-lyre-maestro-questonconcern/ Thank You Gibson CS!! CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyMoon Posted February 19, 2013 Author Share Posted February 19, 2013 Ok..an update....I removed the maestro....got some cloth, some well placed pieces of wood, some clamps, some pressure...but not to much mind you didn't want to over do it...just wanted to move it a few mil or a 32nd or so....reinstalled and that little bit of movement solved the problem enough...not perfect but enough to give it a good setup....put some flatwound jazz 11's on her, set the bridge, and the intonation was good and it's right as rain..well almost anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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