Update on V swap

[Izzy]

Let me start by saying thanks for all your advice...

 

First, I went to Fullers and the guy printed a sheet and it said $700-900. That was his cash offer (lmao). The paper said I could sell it for $1700-2200. I looked at their stock...NO VINTAGE. I tried a new MIJ Mustang and it was pretty cool.

 

The it was off to GC. The guy there offered $1,400 cash or towards trade (decent considering they gotta make profit). I found two temptresses.

 

Temptress number one: Seafoam green 2005 1959 re-issue, fancy stuff with the cool little amp. She played like a dream and they want 4k

 

Temptress number two: I am so screwed! Telecaster thinline 1972, NOT re-issue. OMG, it sounded killer, and more rock than the multitud of strats I played. The thing is sort of charming but not pretty...sort of ugly but the sound is off the hook! $3,800

 

This is what I get for listening to milod. I would have NEVER fallen for this gorgeous semi-hollow had I not thought, "well, milod said to try a semi-hollow or hollow or something."

 

Is it too much money for the tele? It is in great shape.

[daveinspain]

Let me start by saying thanks for all your advice...

 

First, I went to Fullers and the guy printed a sheet and it said $700-900. That was his cash offer (lmao). The paper said I could sell it for $1700-2200. I looked at their stock...NO VINTAGE. I tried a new MIJ Mustang and it was pretty cool.

 

The it was off to GC. The guy there offered $1,400 cash or towards trade (decent considering they gotta make profit). I found two temptresses.

 

Temptress number one: Seafoam green 2005 1959 re-issue, fancy stuff with the cool little amp. She played like a dream and they want 4k

 

Temptress number two: I am so screwed! Telecaster thinline 1972, NOT re-issue. OMG, it sounded killer, and more rock than the multitud of strats I played. The thing is sort of charming but not pretty...sort of ugly but the sound is off the hook! $3,800

 

This is what I get for listening to milod. I would have NEVER fallen for this gorgeous semi-hollow had I not thought, "well, milod said to try a semi-hollow or hollow or something."

 

Is it too much money for the tele? It is in great shape.

 

Seems to me like they are giving you more for the V but gouging you on the Tele... $3800 for a Tele seems steep... I have no Idea what a 72 tele is worth though... Have a look on ebay for similar model. Look on www.gbase.com as well...

 

Good luck :-)

[Jeff-7]

I wouldn't pay that but maybe that's just me, I'd probably just grab an RI Tele thinline. GC employees will negotiate on price, especially if you threaten to walk.

[Tman]

The other guitarist in my most recent band had a 72 Thinline. Fabulous guitar, I don't blame you for being tempted. I got my custom strat from Eric at Fullers a few years back. Straight shooter and they'll make you a good deal.

[jdgm]

Is it too much money for the tele? It is in great shape.

That is £2,548.53 GBP! Top dollar and then some.

Very nice too but it would have to be in more than great shape IMO.

 

BTW You could get a new ES335, 339 or 137 for that!

Regards!

[charlie brown]

My opinion, only....Keep the V, buy a re-issue '72 Tele! Win Win, and Save Save!!

 

IF, on the other hand, you're determined, to get rid of the "V," then I'd replace it, with an equally

easy upper fret access guitar, the new 2013 SG "Original!" Awesome!!

 

 

CB

[cookieman15061]

No you can get an incredible tele for half that. Vintage often means overpriced.

[Izzy]

Okay, I got a story. Before I went to the shops I got my inspection done. I brought my V in so she wouldn't suffer in the car and a man noticed the case. "You got a V there."

 

The man showed me, after we'd chatted a while about guitars, pictures of him and Dimebag, him and Zack Wilde (signing his Ovation), pics of a guitar he made from wood (hi Rabs) and so on.

 

I asked him to look at my V and he got really excited and said, same as ya'll, "don't sell to shops." He gave me his number. I'm not sure he'd be a buyer, but he was happy to hear about my day at the shops and told me to, "try a re-issue. Those prices are unreasonable." Then he asked me for the serial # which I gave him...that wasn't dumb was it?

 

Isn't it funny how life works out?

[Kennis]

I'd try out a another, new, thinline tele, and if it can't compare at all I'd buy the 72.

It's up to you to put a price on that excitement you got from it. "your" tone is ultimately priceless.

[Rabs]

Okay, I got a story. Before I went to the shops I got my inspection done. I brought my V in so she wouldn't suffer in the car and a man noticed the case. "You got a V there."

 

The man showed me, after we'd chatted a while about guitars, pictures of him and Dimebag, him and Zack Wilde (signing his Ovation), pics of a guitar he made from wood (hi Rabs) and so on.

 

I asked him to look at my V and he got really excited and said, same as ya'll, "don't sell to shops." He gave me his number. I'm not sure he'd be a buyer, but he was happy to hear about my day at the shops and told me to, "try a re-issue. Those prices are unreasonable." Then he asked me for the serial # which I gave him...that wasn't dumb was it?

 

Isn't it funny how life works out?

Ahh.. but is he making his in a tent from an old door?? :P :)

 

And yes... Of all Fenders I would go for.. id also say a Thinline.. I played some nice new ones a few years back.. Great guitars

[Izzy]

Izzy,

Just have your receipt handy. If he made up a fake and put the serial number on it, you will have to prove him wrong to the cops, if he tried any funny business. I highly doubt it though. I tell everyone do not put the serial number of a guitar on eBay and Craig's list.

 

I'm officially paranoid now! :(

[milod]

Izzy...

 

Well, for the cash they want for the Tele, regardless of the sound, you can pick up a new Gibson ES175.

 

Yeah, semis are lovely... If this one reeeeeally trips your trigger and you have the cash, it may be worth it to you but... sheesh, I'd not personally spend that much for a bolt-on neck if I won the lottery.

 

Then again, in the same price range I might for a new 175, a top-line Gibbie semi or something else customized just for my hands.

 

So when it comes to musical instruments, there is a human factor that can make an instrument worth more, or less, to a given musician than any consideration of "value" by as in "investment."

 

That's apparently where you are on this one. Is it "worth it" as a player regardless whether it might be "valued" by the marketplace at that price?

 

So... would I buy it? Nope. I might look for a less expensive version and be willing to pay for a special setup, even a different neck and/or pups and still be half the price.

 

Then again, how much of the sound was the amp and strings?

 

A bit of a tale here as a sorta parable: There's no Gibson dealer in a day's drive so I don't have one. I refuse to go over $1,000 without touching a guitar. But I like the two Epi Dots that I have, and I'd play "out" anywhere if it's an electric any style I do.

 

So here's my tale of a special guitar and how price ain't always the point. Neither of my nice little pro-playing but workmanlike Dots play the "wow" I got in the midst of messing with a batch of guitars 6-7 years ago at the one relatively close store back when dollars were really on a downward cycle for us.

 

I couldn't talk the guy down. It was "only" a black Epi Dot. Nothing special, just a cheapie regardless that it wasn't that "cheap" to me at the time and was quite well made and finished. Just not a Gibbie.

 

But somehow the doggone thing sat up and yowled a blues bark no Gibson or any other guitar I've touched before or since managed to have. The guitar? the strings? the amp and its settings? I dunno.

 

Do I regret not pushing myself instead of the guy for the guitar?

 

In a way, yes, in a way no. Would it have that same bark with my amps and with my strings? Doggone if I know. That's the saving grace from not making the buy which I sorta coulda at the time.

 

Should you buy your find? I can't answer for you.

 

But for that much cash I think any picker should, at very minimum, take their own amp to the store and see how the two work together.

 

For a $500-2,000 sorta box, that may be overkill even if that's your pocket change. For the $4,000 range? Nope, it's "the sound" as much as feel, so you've gotta know. Or figure on spending more to add the amp too.

 

So IMHO, it at least deserves playing through your own amp to see what's guitar, and what's amp-guitar combination. They don't all love each other. And then maybe you still will; maybe you won't.

 

<sigh> It ain't easy at all.

 

m

[Bender 4 Life]

a thinline Tele neck may fit your hand better than any other semi/hollow out there.

 

bottom line is, doe's this guitar speak to your heart, your soul, your eardrums???

the asking price is a bit high, but, if it's an authentic '72 TL, in good shape and sounding sweet....you may never find this guitar/chance again.

[pippy]

I wasn't going to stick my oar in as it's such a personal decision surrounded by contentious, highly emotive, issues but I would just like to say a little on the Vintage V's Reissue thing.

 

It is possible to buy, here in the overpriced U.K., a '69 Thinline Re-issue for around £700. In the States? IDK; $800?

How much difference is there between a good '69 R-I and the '72?

 

I bought a new '60s Classic Strat R-I that is, and I'm not kidding here, as near as dammit identical to my old '64 as makes no difference.

I've said it before somewhere else but within a few seconds of picking it up it felt exactly like 'Coming Home'. Uncannily so.

 

Nor do I subscribe to the belief that 'Old Wood = Better Tone' where electric guitars are concerned.

I've owned Strats from every decade since their introduction with the exception of the '90s and, without a doubt, the very worst was a '59.

 

It all comes down to how much you covet the cache of a genuine, vintage guitar. Personally I'd try a '69 R-I before buying the "real-deal".

Having been through 35 years of playing, buying and selling I've come to the same conclusion as Cookie; 'Vintage often means Overpriced'.

 

But it's your hands and ears that will have the final say, Izzy. Best of luck in your choice!

 

 

P.

[cookieman15061]

Iz, The quality on todays Fender reissues is fantastic. The workmanship and quality parts in most cases better than the originals. If you're dead set on the Tele and the feel is right for you in your hands I'd look at these and save yourself some cash.

 

http://www.fender.com/guitars/telecaster/fsr-american-vintage-72-tele-thinline-maple-fingerboard-3-color-sunburst/

[pippy]

Iz, The quality on todays Fender reissues is fantastic. The workmanship and quality parts in most cases better than the originals. If you're dead set on the Tele and the feel is right for you in your hands I'd look at these and save yourself some cash.

 

http://www.fender.co...color-sunburst/

+1.

 

Funnily enough I was just about to edit my earlier thread to add this very point but you saved me the trouble!

 

 

P.

[kidblast]

$3,800 is grossly over priced for a 72 Tele IMO

 

As everyone has said, you can get a RI for WAY less.

 

why did he want your Serial #? Maybe just trying to get the year?

[cookieman15061]

$3,800 is grossly over priced for a 72 Tele IMO

 

As everyone has said, you can get a RI for WAY less.

 

why did he want your Serial #? Maybe just trying to get the year?

 

 

Yeah he may be really interested and wanted to confirm it was legit. Most serious online buyers I've dealt with asked for the SN to check that its the real deal.

I don't post it in the ad though.

[Izzy]

I wasn't going to stick my oar in as it's such a personal decision surrounded by contentious, highly emotive, issues but I would just like to say a little on the Vintage V's Reissue thing.

 

It is possible to buy, here in the overpriced U.K., a '69 Thinline Re-issue for around £700. In the States? IDK; $800?

How much difference is there between a good '69 R-I and the '72?

 

 

It all comes down to how much you covet the cache of a genuine, vintage guitar. Personally I'd try a '69 R-I before buying the "real-deal".

Having been through 35 years of playing, buying and selling I've come to the same conclusion as Cookie; 'Vintage often means Overpriced'.

 

But it's your hands and ears that will have the final say, Izzy. Best of luck in your choice!

 

 

P.

 

My beef with re-issues came from trying the 60s SG re-issues that were not up to snuff. That left a bad feel on my hands and I instantly turned snob but yesterday I had a fabulous expirience with a custom shop. She is a Strat 59 re-issue that was made in 2005 and she felt and sounded and WEIGHED legit...I had her handled by other costumers who were playing real vintage and they all gave me the, "wow" look. Now I know costum shop re-issues by Fender may be a good alternative.

 

Also, milod made a good point about "how much of the sound is attributed to the amp..." If I go back I'll ask them to plug it to a BH like mine.

 

Today I head back to Fullers (GC doesn't have re-issue thintails) to check out the reissue if they have it and the MIJ Mustang for kicks. If the tele feels good I'll not turn my nose up. The historical value is one thing, but I'm not sure I wanna be suckered either.

 

Ya'll have been most helpful in keeping me from impulse buying. That old tele isn't bound to run out the store in the next weeks...if so, I saw two online for a little less.

[stein]

Couple things:

 

You CAN get a reissue Thinline Tele for roughly 450 bucks or so. Easily for 600 bones range.

 

So, doing a little math, for less money you could both keep the V and have another guitar, rather than spend more money and not have the V. So in a way, regardless of getting a fair price for the V.....

 

I think MILOD makes a lot of points worth considering, and spending more than a day doing it. And mainly, IF you are now talking about the 3000-4000 range of spending on a guitar, you have a LOT more things you can consider rather than the reissue/vintage deal. Puts a lot of things into reach. That's nearly every guitar on the wall, from genuine Gibby 335's, R9 LP's, etc, and just about any model or type of Fender you can imagine.

 

I could do a whole post on Fender reissue, so I will.

 

Another realistic idea to consider, is that IF you are set on unloading the V, it might be better to consider selling it to someone here on the forum. You already have interest, and even if you sell it to a member at a discounted price closer to what a dealer is offering, the karma would be amazing.

 

See, you aren't rushed, it isn't like you need to sell for bills or whatever, so that fact makes the effort at your convenience. It might be worth starting yourself another thread on the subject.

[Kaiser Bill]

Izzy... I recently purchased an original '69 Tele Thinline (I'm ashamed to tell you what I paid for it)... but it was NOWHERE near what they are asking for an RI... lets say less than 5% of that they are asking. I also bought a MIM Tele (Barf Burst) in July of last year and even after replacing the pups volume pot and the bridge, I'm still in it less than $900. You can do better than what they are offering you.

 

 

[milod]

Izzy...

 

Here's an interesting note in the Epi electric version of the forum.

 

http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/99230-wildkat-tone-test-comparison-gretsch-tele/

 

All... I think hitting both sides of the "Gibson Forums" to include Epi is a good idea. Some of the Epi offerings are both a lot better than I remember even some Gibsons as being at various points in time, and some also are unique such as the Epi Wildcat, a small semi.

 

There's also some incredible offering of technical DYI info for any guitar.

 

m

[Tman]

Izzy... I recently purchased an original '69 Tele Thinline (I'm ashamed to tell you what I paid for it)... but it was NOWHERE near what they are asking for an RI... lets say less than 5% of that they are asking. I also bought a MIM Tele (Barf Burst) in July of last year and even after replacing the pups volume pot and the bridge, I'm still in it less than $900. You can do better than what they are offering you.

 

 

 

I like the barf burst! I used to have a 79 strat. Wish I still did.

[Izzy]

Regarding selling the V to someone here: I'd love to but mailing instruments seems wrong and what if someone doesn't like it or something >.<

If we all lived in one state (we'd be BBQing every weekend, and I'd be taking lessons from ya'll).

 

I didn't get to play the re-issue at Fullers, but they did have a Fender Pawnshop '72 Thinline (the vid is down there). I tested it against a real '72 tele thinline at the shop. The feel and sound are very close. The pawnshop is a little lighter and thinner body which may be what takes a bit of the GRAWRRRR from it. I think I am over the 1972 real deal now, though.

 

Basically, my LP already has that GRAWRRR sound (though admitedly not as warm, and considering the old tele is only a bit lighter...

for a warmer tone and more comfortable play I'd prefer a battle axe I don't have to think twice about before setting down or leaving out.

 

This is the Pawnshop '72. Any of you played it before?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mReFZ3D3OX4

[retrosurfer1959]

Izzy I have a 72 it's a great guitar and until recently with all the remakes it was almost the ugly duckling of the Fender world. Ive had dozens of people make fun of the cowboy guitar as it was often called because especially with the cutout f holes it has a western look to many people. I recently played one of the new RI and was pleased they got really close it doesn't have all the tone but it's close and for 800 or whatever the street price is there pretty amazing. Value on older guitars is all over the place I wouldn't pay 3800 for a 72 thin line probably but I also wouldn't sell my 72 for much less that either so ????.