CoreyT Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Chappers playing one of his new guitars from the new line he has. Even playing out of his signature amp. I am not 100% sure, but I bet his guitar line is built by World Instrument Company in South Korea, same place my PRS SEs I have are made. They make a lot of different guitars there for various labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 These look pretty cool but I wouldnt buy from him after what he did with ML-1's. Putting on crappy parts (75p pickups for example) and then saying its built to be modded; which I think is disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Farnsbarns Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Wow, that's nice. I think I read or heard somewhere that they're made by Samik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryUK Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Really, they're just another foreign import, mass produced guitar. I'd say an Epiphone would be better value or even a used Les Paul studio. I had a Michael Kelly Patriot which is in a similar price range and I'd say it was better guitar. Not that these are a bad guitar though. I personally think that there aren't many dreadful guitars out there now. When I started playing (1970) some of the guitars were awful. I pick some cheap guitars up now and they play ok. They may have tuning issues etc, but they're good enough to learn on. I use an Ibanez SA160 in my lounge and the tuning is dreadful, but the neck is fine for practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Really, they're just another foreign import, mass produced guitar. I'd say an Epiphone would be better value or even a used Les Paul studio. I had a Michael Kelly Patriot which is in a similar price range and I'd say it was better guitar. Not that these are a bad guitar though. I personally think that there aren't many dreadful guitars out there now. When I started playing (1970) some of the guitars were awful. I pick some cheap guitars up now and they play ok. They may have tuning issues etc, but they're good enough to learn on. I use an Ibanez SA160 in my lounge and the tuning is dreadful, but the neck is fine for practice. I've gone back home from uni because its now the Easter break. I couldnt fit any of my guitars and amps into the car so I thought I'd just use my older starter stuff I left at home. Truth be told, for a £60 guitar its actually not that bad. Yeah it doesnt sound as good as play/feel as nicely as other more expensive guitars but I wouldnt call it a bad guitar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbluesplayer Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Are all his guitars low level stuff? That's the impression I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Obviously what you deem low end depends on what values you assign to the boundaries but I think they're sort of £200-£600 (second batch of ml1's were lowered in price from £300 to £200. As already mentioned though, for the money other are better products available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I am not 100% sure, but I bet his guitar line is built by World Instrument Company in South Korea, same place my PRS SEs I have are made. They make a lot of different guitars there for various labels. Yes, he's confirmed in a video that they're being made by WIC. Probably one of the best Far-Eastern guitar manufacturers. These look pretty cool but I wouldnt buy from him after what he did with ML-1's. Putting on crappy parts (75p pickups for example) and then saying its built to be modded; which I think is disgraceful. You don't seem to understand the mentality. The original ML-1 and ML-2 were marketed as "building block" guitars. He put all of the money into the Woods; solid 2-piece Mahogany bodies, quartersawn maple necks and Ebony fretboards. Bone nuts as well. Then to keep the cost down, he put cheap Chinese no-name pickups and hardware in. And one thing else that should be mentioned; with the original run of ML-1's and ML-2's (with the crap pickups/hardware), Andertons (their only retailer at the time) offered to do ANY mods to the guitars before they shipped; that includes pickup changes, routing the body for more pickups or a Floyd for example, locking tuners, whatever. And all you would pay for was the actual parts. They didnt charge for the labor. So you pay ~£300 for a guitar with top-quality tonewoods, and then you pay whatever you want extra. For about £500-£600, you could get an incredibly well-playing, great sounding guitar delivered to your door, and with Your specs in terms of pickups and hardware. So I hardly see it as "disgraceful". He was offering a service that didn't exist at that price point, at that time. Are all his guitars low level stuff? That's the impression I get. At this point, most of his stuff Is in the £300-£600 range, so low-mid priced. But an interesting fact about Chapman guitars is how they're made. Most companies will just send a blueprint or something to their far-eastern manufacturer and just say "build this". Chapman Guitars gets an independent Luthier in the UK to build a prototype of the guitar that has been collaboratively designed by Chappers and his forum. This guitar costs well over £2000-£3000. Then he sends This guitar to Korea, where the people working there have to duplicate that exact guitar as accurately as they can. It isn't a computer-generated model or writing and measurements on paper; it's a real guitar, which can only be a good thing. -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 You don't seem to understand the mentality. The original ML-1 and ML-2 were marketed as "building block" guitars. He put all of the money into the Woods; solid 2-piece Mahogany bodies, quartersawn maple necks and Ebony fretboards. Bone nuts as well. Then to keep the cost down, he put cheap Chinese no-name pickups and hardware in. And one thing else that should be mentioned; with the original run of ML-1's and ML-2's (with the crap pickups/hardware), Andertons (their only retailer at the time) offered to do ANY mods to the guitars before they shipped; that includes pickup changes, routing the body for more pickups or a Floyd for example, locking tuners, whatever. And all you would pay for was the actual parts. They didnt charge for the labor. So you pay ~£300 for a guitar with top-quality tonewoods, and then you pay whatever you want extra. For about £500-£600, you could get an incredibly well-playing, great sounding guitar delivered to your door, and with Your specs in terms of pickups and hardware. So I hardly see it as "disgraceful". He was offering a service that didn't exist at that price point, at that time. -Ryan I find that to be one of the most interesting tid-bits of info I've ever read in the forum, Ryan. Thanks very much for explaining this bit as well as the way in which a prototype is crafted and sent to be copied. As far as the guitar in the demo goes; It can do 'Overdriven' very nicely through that Chappers Sig 'Gorilla'......ermmm I mean 'Silverback' head. I suppose the pairing can do 'Clean', 'Bluesy', 'Jazzy', 'Country' and everything else too. It would have been nice to have heard some, though. I know, I know; Nit-picking. P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 At this point, most of his stuff Is in the £300-£600 range, so low-mid priced. But an interesting fact about Chapman guitars is how they're made. Most companies will just send a blueprint or something to their far-eastern manufacturer and just say "build this". Chapman Guitars gets an independent Luthier in the UK to build a prototype of the guitar that has been collaboratively designed by Chappers and his forum. This guitar costs well over £2000-£3000. Then he sends This guitar to Korea, where the people working there have to duplicate that exact guitar as accurately as they can. It isn't a computer-generated model or writing and measurements on paper; it's a real guitar, which can only be a good thing. -Ryan Cant fault him on using Jaden Rose to build the proto's and the private stock models. I saw some of his guitars at the Bristol guitar show a few years ago and they were superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Cant fault him on using Jaden Rose to build the proto's and the private stock models. I saw some of his guitars at the Bristol guitar show a few years ago and they were superb I completely forgot his name, thanks for that. -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyT Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Chappers put up a new video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreyT Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Looks like these ship without a gig bag. I wonder how they hold up in just a cardboard box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krock Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Looks like these ship without a gig bag. I wonder how they hold up in just a cardboard box? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJZY29Ystds i bought a guitar online from guitar.co.uk (merchant city music) which was shipped in a cardboard box from Glasgow and it was fine. I dont see why the courier Andertons uses wouldnt be able to deliver it in one piece. If there's a problem you just ring them and they replace it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Looks like these ship without a gig bag. I wonder how they hold up in just a cardboard box? Andertons has stated that the gig bags will be shipping separately some time in April. I guess the embroidery takes time. But yeah, they're packed really well. Lots of bubble wrap between the shipping box and the guitar box. Saw it in a review. -Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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