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    Anyone know more info on this V

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    On 2/10/2024 at 12:06 PM, Sheepdog1969 said:

    I just read your post and I have extensive knowledge about '83 Heritage and Custom Shop Edition Explorers. I have a '83 CSE Korina Explorer, btw, purchased new and verified. Admittedly, I have far lass knowledge about the Korina '83 V's. However, No '83 Heritages had Gold hardware, nor did any CSE versions have Ivory/plastic tuning knobs. I noticed no markings on the tuners and the type of tuners are not the type Heritages or CSE's came with. From my understanding, no Heritages from '83 were painted, and all were natural. Heritages did come with "inked" serial numbers and CSE '83 Korina's has "pressed serial numbers" and "pressed" Made in USA markings AND inked two color (gold and black) Custom Shop Edition "banner logo's". The 20 black '83 production amounts matched exactly how many '83 black CSE Korina Explorers were made. There are far to many inconsistencies in the pictures you posted for me to believe your V is a '83 Heritage, a '83 CSE, let alone a Korina. If the "inked" serial numbers, when checked via the Gibson site, match a Heritage V, I would surmise someone simply used real numbers to make a forgery seem real, and this happens quite often. I can't even see any "Made in USA" markings. Additionally, I'm 99% sure the hardware is not 24K Gold (which all CSE models came with) due to how they have corroded/tarnished. 1983 Heritage Korina V's run between $25,000 to $50,000 plus, and no one would ever consider painting one, or replacing the Silver colored hardware with Fake/non Gibson hardware (like the tuning machines in your pictures), nor would it be possible to paint a Heritage, yet somehow not paint over the inked serial number. '83 Korina Heritages are so rare and so hard to even find pictures of, no one would ever thing of devaluing one by doing anything to it at all! '83 Custom Shop Edition Korina's, about half of which were painted, run between $15,000 to $50,000, so the same applies. But your V cannot be a '83 CSE, (or any year CSE) because there is no pressed serial number and no "pressed" Made in USA marking. The finish does not appear to be "nitro" either. In my opinion, you have a fake, especially if the "inked" serial number indicates it is a Heritage, which it defiantly is not.  The tuners alone, (no Gibson markings), scream fake/forgery. Hope you didn't pay too much for it.  

    Hi Sheepdog,

    I am not claiming it is a custom shop edition. And i believe the guitar is genuine.

    Reasons you claim this is fake

    1. Should not have gold hardware

    2. No markings on the tuners

    3. You cant see made in usa

    4. Hardware is not 24k gold

    5. No 83 heritage vs were painted from the factory.

    6. Does not appear to be nitro.

    Wow, for someone to admit you have far lass knowledge about the Korina '83 V's, you certainly seem to have a strong feeling that this is a forgery.

    I purchased this guitar in the late 90s from vintage and rare guitars in London. I gigged with it for years and have put it into retirement. I have toyed with the idea of selling it over the years.

    1. Any of heritage Vs I see on reverb all have gold plated hardware. Not solid gold which  I think you suggest Gibson put on the CSE 83s like your explorer. No I dont think its solid gold. I think It is base metal and gold plating.

    2. You are correct, there are no markings on the tuners. However I had a look at other Vs of the time and they all must be fake. Look at the tuners here Gibson Flying V Heritage Birdseye Korina Reissue 1981-1983 | Reverb UK 

    3. I admit the photos i took years ago are not great quality, but if you look you can just make out the made in usa. I am going to take some better photos.

    4. Its gold plate. Not solid gold

    5. This one was. It is factory black.

    6. Why is the finish checking then. It most certainly is a nitro finish.

    Anyone know more info on this V

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    On 9/17/2019 at 1:48 PM, Eric Thompson said:

    Your not going to believe this. I was the origanal owner of that guitar. I bought it from Mahoney music. In Las Vegas Nevada wear i still live ive been searching the internet for years trying to find it. A girlfriend (pyscho) pawned it while i was in jaili will send pics if this forum allows if you ever want to sell it im down and anything you want to know about it just ask . does it still have. Emgs or has someone switched thoae out? 

    Hey Eric, I was looking online and saw my old post from years ago. That's crazy. I still have the guitar. It made its way to Northern Ireland.

    Anyone know more info on this V

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    Gibson Europe have got back to me and confirmed it is a Heritage Flying V but said the following

    "The serial number would place the guitar around 1982 I think (the serial number is sequential and therefore difficult to date exactly), but I cannot confirm that there were only 20 made; we don’t have this info available as it’s considered as confidential information."

     

    A helpful guy, here on the forum and works at Gibson, replied the following

    This does indeed appear to be a Flying V Heritage model, likely made in 1983. From what I was able to find, this was only shown on the Gibson price list from 1981-1983 and only came with Korina woods. We have no records of production totals from this time, but there were likely more than 20 made in Ebony finish between 1981-1983.

     

    This is all great help but I emailed the guy from http://www.flying-v.ch/ and am hoping he might shed some light on it

    Anyone know more info on this V

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    Hi

     

    That guitar is lovely looking. I always wanted the natural. But I think it might be a 81 because the A although Im not 100% sure on that. It would be interesting if you looked under one of the pick ups to see.

     

    I took a look under the bridge pickup and the number is 154683 so that should be june 83 but the guitar s/n is G 012. Which I've been told is a 1984 number.

     

    I have also been told that its probably Mahogany and NOT korina, which would make sense to paint it black and not leave it natural. The person that told me this said the way to check if its mahogany or korina is to check under the pickups. So i did. Would you know if this is mahogany or korina??

     

    Thanks for getting back to me

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    Anyone know more info on this V

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    Hi

     

    I am new to this forum. I have a Heritage black flying v from 1982/3. I am trying to find out more info on this guitar and when I check the internet I can't get the info I am looking.

     

    I had been looking for a korina flying v for so long. I was searching magazines and phoning vintage shops in London and eventually I found one. "1982, factory black, gold hardware, very good condition and excellent tone" the guy said on the phone. "Original case and it is one of twenty they made in black."

     

    I told him it sounded good but what I really wanted was a Natural korina 82 v and not really the black. He sent some photos to me in the mail and I had a chance to look at the guitar. I left it for another month or so but still couldn't find the v I wanted. They seem so hard to find so I called the guy and they still had it and afew days later my "new" 1982 korina flying v arrived.

     

    What a guitar! Stunning! Now, the guitar had been used, afew dings but they add to the character. I just found myself staring at the guitar, she is so alluring. The serial number also gave more credibility to the wiff of BS 1/20 I was told by the salesman trying to make a sale. G 012 Painted on the back of the headstock and made in USA stamped.

     

    I have trawled the internet looking for anything to back up this one of twenty story.

     

    1981 to 1983 Heritage Flying V's

    The guitars have an inked serial number preceeded by a letter

     

    Serial Number

    Annn 1981

    Bnnn 1981 - 1982

    Cnnn 1982 - 1983

    Dnnn 1983

     

    It goes on to say that in 81 on red and natural were made 83 nat red blk and white. so is mine an 83 because in 84 only white was available.

    (http://www.flying-v.ch/numbers/numbers.html)

     

    Any help would be great.

    Thanks for reading

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