CLIVE ALLUM
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By chance ,The method I used was the same as ALD 323 ,of 18 September 2020 ,but as he made such a fantastic and comprehensive instruction sheet I didnt write out my own method sheet for you guys , but well done you ALD323!
Basically it aint the pickgurd , its using crazy silicone polishes, just use a very slightly moist cloth to clear off sticky donuts , beer or greasy finger marks .
Rock on Chaps ..
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Clive calling from Windsor , UK
I was gutted when i realised the Pickguard on my J200 was starting to lift , complained to the store , that said yeah , they seem to do that , on a $4000 guitar not the answer I was hoping for .
What I did discover is that the root cause for this problem is not a poor quality Gibson pickguard material,but most commonly the use of silcone based polishes .
Whilst the silicone polish makes the guitar sparkle , it actually starts to seep underneath the edges of the pickguard and eats away at the adhesive . allowing the pickguard to curl .
Big lesson , NO silicone based polish , just use a slightly damp cloth to clear of sticky finger marks in future
I adopted a very similar method to yours repair the problem with success , my only difference is that I used heated cloth folded cloth pads to soften the Pickguard , by laying the pickguard in warm cloths in between 2 heavy books ,to flatten .
Any residue sticky adhesive can be gently rolled off the surfaces with the pad of your fingers, then I used Zippo lighter fuel ( NAPTHA) on pads to clean off any trace of silicone on the back surface of the old pickguard ,and the surface of the soundboard ( WARNING carry out test patch with cotton bud on back of headstock prior to to applying to guitar surface to check for adverse reaction .
I have used this method several times , and so far by not using Silcone polishes the pickguards are flat and secure .
Good Luck , keep strummimg guys and gals .
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Lithium Batteries ,thats a great tip ....going to check out the Mi-Si system out of interest
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Hi ,
To those who might be interested
Just thought I would give a progress report on my self repair on my J200 , pleased to advise 24hrs later the pickguard still remains flat well adhered to to the soundboard .
Hopefully it stays put , so again many thanks for all your advice and tips. Possibly , divine intervention might have played a part as well .
Just put a new set of 52-11,s Elixir nanowebs on her and , and I fallen back in love with her .
My next problem is the fabric battery pack velcroed to the neck stump inside the guitar , Has anybody yet found a better solution?.
I noted a valid comment about checking and changing a battery before a gig , but I, ve often forgotten , only human after all .
I often wonder why, in this day and age an onboard guitar preamp system has ,nt yet been produced that could be charged by a USB socket charger system similar to a mobile phone.
Contacted Gibson Europe about it , but they didn,t pass any comment .
I am starting to think to think I might need some therapy
Keep on strumming ,
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Hi ,just t a brief post surgery report , for those of you who may be intersted .
The Gibson J200 was entered into theatre at approx , 15.00 hrs ,operation completed approx 16.10 hrs all has gone well , the patient is recovering well ,and not a trace of sticky left on the pickguard or soundboard thanks to a gentle napther cleanse .No damage to the varnish at all , ( very small patch test carried out on the back of the neck to check prior to commencement )
3M 476 ahesive double sided sheet utilised during the procedure , and a 4mm perimeter excess allowed on the edge of the pikguard ahesive sheet (handy tip from a local luthier) , to ensure good edge ahesion ,and the pickguard was placed directly over the original footprint of the pick guard ,even pressure applied and the he adhesion seems to have been a complete success .
Any excess perimeter sticky was effectively removed with a gentle rolling thumb pressure.
Meanwhile the patient is recuperating , with a leather book(Bible) resting on the pickguard to ensure gentle even pressure .
I will check on the condition in the morning , but all seems well , and will keep you posted .
So many thanks for your advice and tips, .definitely not allowing near any silicon polishes in future.
Hoping I might have solved the problem.
Signing off from the banks of the River Thames near Windsor ,UK.
Keep on strumming ..
Clive
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for all the advice, goes to show never too old to learn.
My plan is to use "the napther idea " ( guessing thats lighter fuel Zippo etc.) to remove the sticky mess left underneath the redundant pickguard , reapply 3m, super strong adhesive film sheet to the underside .
Remove the existing pickguard,carefully ,then use a small amount of napther on a soft cloth to to clean off any remaining adhesive surface of the guitar , and to remove any silicone residue that may be present to prepare surface ,then carefully apply pressure with a warm cloth pad,to ensure pickguard evenly stuck .
The clamping idea seems great , but noticed that the guy was using wood glue directly on to the Martin guitar barewood so not sure if that is applicable to my dilemma .
Thinking about the silicone polish comment ,I,m wondering if it may be the root cause of the problem, got to fall on my sword , put my hands up and admit I,ve never checked if the polishes i,ve used contain high quanties of silicone, so just purchased bottle of Dunlop 65 , for future use .
Does my plan seem feasible , or am I heading straight into more problems ? .
Incidentally ,I have taken the guitar to several luthiers , however the response is that , yes , they can stick it down, but none seem to be able to "guarantee" it will not lift.
Regarding not playing the guitar, for live gigging I tend to use Takamine ,Taylor, Martin etc. as they are fairly robust and should a battery need changing mid set its a really simple and quick problem to resolve, unlike the J200 which has got an absolutely ridiculous velcro battery pack pouch system tucked inside the guitar , but hey ,thats another story and problem to talk about some other time .
Still love the guitar , just want to love it more ..
Happy Strumming
Clive
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Hi, I am very new to this site,so getting used to it ,also struggling to attach any pics.
However ,the original pickguard came with the 2005 Gibson j200 antique natural guitar ,but I did purchase this preowned , but in immaculate hardly used condition in 2013.
So can,t conirm if it was the original pickguard, looked fine and intact when I first got it , after about 2 months , started to see the pickguard lifting then started to try to rectify .
Sadly it appears the previous had used contact type glue to hold ithe pickguard down , and upon very careful removal ,I saw that it had been glues down a few times at the spots where it was lifting , but surprisingly no adhesive remained on the sounboard and the only sign of damage to the still intact varnish ,was a pickguard shaped shadowing effect to the soundboard under the varnish.
Tried the renowned Gibson approved stores im the UK for advice to no avail , eventually Gibson Europe agency , kindly despatched a replacement with adhesive film attached , exactly the same as original.
The soundboard surface was dabbed with a very small of mild soap cleanser with cotton buds and left to dry for 24 hrs ,
When dried I removed the adhesive protection film on back of pickguard , warmed up the area with warm dry cotton pad,and carefully stuck the pickguard in position.
Looked great, well pleased , put it back in its case , and didnt pick it up again for say 3 months , unfortunately the curl had started on this new one.
Since , I have tried to firefight the dry patches with 3M adhesive film patches , that last for a few days , but not adhesive enough to prevent the curl.
This problem only occurs to this guitar in my collection m the
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Can anybody out there in Gibsonville help me,
Despite trying 2 actual Gibson pickguards and self applying,using all the correct techniques advised by luthiers ,I still can,t solve the problem oh the pickguard lifting off the sounboard .
Can anybody advise me where to get a non curly pickguard.?
How to fix your lifting flubber pick guard, the procedure
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HI , I,m not a chemist and dont always check the content of domestic polishes , nor the branded Guitar polishes , but since i have refrained from using any polish near the pickguard area the pickguard sits there firm and flat and looking great .
The first time in 2015, I replaced a Gibson pickguard that had been stuck back down by apreviuos owner with EVO STICK BONDED GLUE , it lifted again not long after,and I had been using a domestic spray polish to clean .Mr.Sheen I think I used , sparkled , and smelt great but after a while the guard started to curl up again at the pointed decorative areas . I followed up on a comment from a Gibson Forum member that mentioned the silicone dissolving the 3m adhesive effect , Anyway it seems to work , and I have carried out the replacement pickguard on a few more of my collection,and so so far with success .
Every time I took them out of their cases and saw those babies with curly pickguard bits I fell out of love with them ,and needed to do something ....
Just got to be patient , carefull , and resist polish around the pick guard areas .
I think the reason Gibson utilises the soft pickguard material , is to avoid the the classic problem that occours with likes of Martins , is the harder non flexible pickguard material actually shrinks and can cause a split in the sounboard area a round the B string area of the bridge to the soundhole as the guitar ages.
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