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Hello group, I just wanted to comment on the tuner issue. This will give you an idea how old I am. I worked at a local music store and got a nice discount, so I bought a brand new Gibson Les Paul 1970 Deluxe Goldtop ( in 1970). I wanted to put a set of those old "milk bottle"? Grovers on it. I don't remember the model number, but I do remember using a hand reamer to get them to fit. That was a very nervous operation, almost as bad as when I swapped out the mini humbuckers for a set of DiMarzio Super Distortion humbuckers (that took a router, chisel and a lot of nerve). I have had many guitars since then, some vintage but mostly new. I don't know if the Grover Company all of a sudden became hip to the fit and re-fit process, but I just "dropped" in a set of vintage Grovers (mint/darker green tulip buttons) into my 2011 Gibson Les Paul Junior and it was like they were made for my guitar. The original tuners were those little white bean shaped buttons, but the back was absolutely the same (except for the Grover name). So, I'm about to get one of those new 1959 Epiphone Les Pauls (they are calling them "the outfit"?). This might sound weird, but I like the way the Grover vintage tulip buttons look and in my mind, I will think I'm up-grading my brand new guitar. It might sound sick, but when you are my age, every little bit that makes you happy counts. Sorry if I rattled on. I just love talking shop, anytime, anywhere. Thanks guys!

Hello group, I just wanted to comment on the tuner issue. This will give you an idea how old I am. I worked at a local music store and got a nice discount, so I bought a brand new Gibson Les Paul 1970 Deluxe Goldtop ( in 1970). I wanted to put a set of those old "milk bottle"? Grovers on it. I don't remember the model number, but I do remember using a hand reamer to get them to fit. That was a very nervous operation, almost as bad as when I swapped out the mini humbuckers for a set of DiMarzio Super Distortion humbuckers (that took a router, chisel and a lot of nerve). I have had many guitars since then, some vintage but mostly new. I don't know if the Grover Company all of a sudden became hip to the fit and re-fit process, but I just "dropped" in a set of vintage Grovers (mint/darker green tulip buttons) into my 2011 Gibson Les Paul Junior and it was like they were made for my guitar. The original tuners were those little white bean shaped buttons, but the back was absolutely the same (except for the Grover name). So, I'm about to get one of those new 1959 Epiphone Les Pauls (they are calling them "the outfit"?). This might sound weird, but I like the way the Grover vintage tulip buttons look and in my mind, I will think I'm up-grading my brand new guitar. It might sound sick, but when you are my age, every little bit that makes you happy counts. Sorry if I rattled on. I just love talking shop, anytime, anywhere. Thanks guys!