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    Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll

    in Gibson USA

    Posted

    6.6 wow, you may not need a strap it probably floats. So did you name this sg "neck dive"? And photos of neck dive?

     

    Hahaaaa, thats very funny Golden and thanks for saying that I am one of the unlucky ones with the dreaded condition!!! It makes me feel so much better.... ](*,) Anyway, I'm sticking with my opinion that SG's, especially the Jnr's, are going to be predominately neck divers, and that I am not alone.... [rolleyes]

     

    'll try and figure out how to post a photo although I'm not sure that its going to help explain why mine has neck dive [tongue]

    Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll

    in Gibson USA

    Posted

    The odds of you receiving a SG with neck dive seems rather slim. Just saying, course looking for very very lights SGs will increase the odds and probably more so with this model. The SG Jr is one of the models basically stripped down and light to begin with as the weights indicate. The Jr weight reduction comes not from special selected magical wood but reduction of hardware in the body area where it would add weight to the body end-reduce neck dive. They had one the other day at 5.5 lbs. The bodies are just a lot of the average 4lb bodies as are the necks.

     

     

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SGJRH18VENH?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsJPBst6E2QIVkbbACh2KnQZREAQYAyABEgKlxPD_BwE

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    The front strap button placement does make a difference in such a situation since its placed in back of the balance point IF the wood neck is unusually heavy and the body unusually light. Which is why I suggest this is much rarer than people assume. The mid point is the 12th fret the guitar 40-inches - half way 12th fret.

     

    Thanks Golden. That all makes sense regarding hardware.

     

    Mine is 6 lb 6 oz so unless I just had bad luck I'd say it's not just the light 5.5 lb juniors that suffer from the dreaded 'dive'...

     

    #-o

    Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll

    in Gibson USA

    Posted · Edited by EpiSheriMan

    LOL, based on what, the poll you took? You would have to assume which it may exist but I haven't seen the evidence, that 90% of the necks on an SG weigh more than the body on the same 90%? It may be an interesting point do you know? Well, then think about those who seek light weight SGs as part of their desired guitar of good wood? So for sure theres a weight balance tipping point and so....the weight you buy should then be considered? I'm just saying this may be part of the equation I dont know but many prefer light weight mahogany.

     

     

    Anyway since you fell in love now with regrets, what you could do is have made a metal/steel/aluminum pg and change the plastic knobs to brass add a weighted strap button on the bottom. That might have the neck hitting the door frames when you let go though.

     

    Well I did say it was a 'sweeping statement', no? I thought it would get a rise out of a few peeps... [biggrin]

     

    I was hoping to get more data from the poll but that didn't happen to prove my 'sweeping statement'. I am basing my opinion on reading all the various gutar forums on the issue and the fact that most players who say that they don't have the issue mostly use a wide leather straps and therefore don't feel neck dive. Yes we all know that all guitar woods are different and there are tuners and whammy barfactors that add weight to various parts of an SG but fundamentally the SG model is an unbalanced guitar design created by Gibson back in 1961. The thin lightwight body, heavy neck weight, freatboard length all help to contribute to this.

     

    Are there execeptions? Of course, but I think that the percentage of SG's with neck dive are far higher than without.

     

    Anyway its just one persons opinion right?

    Gibson Epiphone SG 'Neck Dive" Poll

    in Gibson USA

    Posted

    Thanks everyone for your thoughts and comments on this.

     

    I'm going to make a sweeping statement and say that I think that around 90% of all SG's suffer from neck dive.

     

    Yes there are ways of dealing with it like wide straps with suede backing but I'd be willing to bet that around 90% would drop with a simple vinyl strap. No an issue for most people but such a pity IMO as it could maybe be addressed by Gibson with design and could wood selection on the SG.

     

    [sad]

    For your downloading pleasure: OLD Epi Elite catalog

    in Epiphone Electrics

    Posted

     

    DAMN...did you see that sweet "335' date=' with binding and block inlays!!! Standard Epi headstock,

    so you wonder if it's Chinese, and will be available (eventually) here...as a "limited" edition???

    ARRRRGGGGG!! All I need is more GAS!! (NOT!)

     

    CB[/quote']

     

    Yeah,...I did Charlie. I have to say that Gibson/Epiphone Asia has such a confusing Marketing Strategy, I don't think they even know what is going on!!!!! :-k

    For your downloading pleasure: OLD Epi Elite catalog

    in Epiphone Electrics

    Posted

     

    Well' date=' IF that's the case, and it could very well be, WHY don't they put up new images, or simply

    remove that page, from their website??? Confusing, huh?

     

    CB[/quote']

     

    Sometimes this happens Charlie. A new website is created with a new url but the old one lives on....

     

    Again,...what we really need to get to the bottom of all this a Japanese based Forum member willing to call up Gakki directly...

    For your downloading pleasure: OLD Epi Elite catalog

    in Epiphone Electrics

    Posted

    I'm sure Epi-1 Does....IF he/she will just chime in here' date=' as they have in the past. Where are you Epi-1???

     

    But, it was my understanding, that Epiphone Japan (Elite, Elitist, or otherwise) was teminated, in 2006.

    And the Elitist versions were lost as the stock ran out. But I could be totally mistaken! I actually HOPE

    I'm totally mistaken, as that would mean we could still find Japanese produced Epi's! And, I can tell you,

    as a proud owner of a MIJ '61 SG...that kind of quality would be most welcome!

     

    CB[/quote']

     

    ...trying to put all the pieces to the puzzle together,..I think you guys are both right.

     

    The Elite is no longer available and, as per my post on another thread, the www.gakki.com site is just an old site which unfortunatly still says the Elite models are available, which they appear not to be :-k

     

    It would be great if we had a Japanese member of the forum who could make heads or tails of the Gakki site :-k

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