imunwell
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That's really interesting. So, based on the SN, neck tenon and ABR bridge, it really seems like it's a reissue. The pickups and controls aren't reliable since it was rewired. I would call Gibson back with this new info and see what they say now.
Thanks for all the Help to you and everyone else. I found some additional information on the guitar as well as on just like with a similar serial number and it showed a COA that says it was a '68 Reissue. My guess is that someone can make a fake COA though. Everything looks identical though, same bridge mount, same water decal on the back of the neck/headstock, similar SN. I couldn't see the wiring but it said it had a burstbucker 2 (N) and a 498T. I posted pictures in the link below that was the same as the other link.
Exact same guitar, different Serial Number and I don't believe the year either 2010??
https://www.hbaudioiems.com/blank
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I just found this:
http://forum.gibson....ustom-les-paul/
I believe this may be the same "Bob" that you've been talking to.
Well found, Black Dog!
I can hardly believe the tenon question hadn't been raised before.......
......usually one of the first things mentioned.Tim Plains (AKA R9) who posted reply #3 in the link was the guy to ask if you had a question on Historics. Really knew his stuff. Had an amazing assortment of reissues.
Hope he's doing very well!
Pip.
It is a long tenon but I don't see any R or RI stamp in the pot cavity or pickup cavity
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I just found this:
http://forum.gibson....ustom-les-paul/
I believe this may be the same "Bob" that you've been talking to.
Thanks Black Dog! I will check for this. Maybe I can play the crap out of it and justify ripping the fairly new strings off. LOL
It might be my best indication of what I have. I'll check for the R stamp in the cavities as well. The Bridge and Serial number still puzzle me and I have ask Bob several times to explain to me why I mine are not considered indicators of a '68 reissue. All of the 2005 Customs that I have found have the metal inserts in the top of the guitar for the bridge post but this one does not and that is normal for a '68 reissue.
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THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME and for your input. I’m sorry for the delay, I got the flu and to say the least, I wasn’t up for anything but bed..
I would post more pictures but I can’t. For some reason, I’ve been limited. I’ll try another route..
I was able to post pictures here. Let me know if you want to see more. THANKS!
https://www.hbaudioiems.com/blank
IF you spoke to 'BOB' (I forget his last name), he is a walking encyclopedia of all things GIBSON....and I took a quick look and it looks to me like it is the 511TH Custom Shop Guitar of 2005, a Les Paul 1968 Re-Issue. IDK, if those Guitars had the ABR-1 bridges though..........and that doesn't seem like it would be a 'ONE-OFF' type of ADD-ON, but as Standard equipment in 1968? MAYBE ? WOW, IDK...I know you could get anything you wanted put on an order during the Norlin Years, but that was past 1970...and IDK when GIBSON came out with the Made-To-Measure Program, but its more recent than 2005?
I'm no expert but I have never seen that type of Bridge on a Les Paul.....PLUS, on a 2005 Les Paul Custom...the serial# should(?) have CS in front of the #'s, no?
I also THOUGHT OF THIS:
IF IT IS A RE-ISSUE of a 1968 Les Paul STANDARD it should say 'Les Paul Model' signature on the HEAD-STOCK Veneer (without the WHEAT BUCKET), yes? If it is a 2005 LES PAUL CUSTOM, then..... IT SHOULD HAVE THE DOUBLE-CUT DIAMONDS ON THE HEAD-STOCK Veneer, YES? SO, what is on the HEAD-STOCK Veneer? DOUBLE-CUT DIAMONDS or 'Les Paul Model' signature, or.........I won't believe it BUT....... the WHEAT BUCKET ?
LMK, the suspense is killin me.....
It was Bob and I’ve worked with him for years and normally don’t question him but this one just doesn’t add up and he won’t fully explain the things that cause me to believe it’s not a regular custom. The guitar has the double cut diamonds not the wheat bucket. Everything says that it’s a ’68 Reissue except Gibson themselves.
Which brings me to rtc
Why do people call up a company, get about as definitive a pedigree as you can get directly from the source, and then go on a forum and ask people to help them convince themselves that the guitar is different, more specialer than the people that made it say it is?
Really. "CALL GIBSON" is the first thing anyone is told that asks "HOW SPECIAL IS MY SPECIAL?".
I really just don't get it is all, it isn't an attack, it isn't personal, not slagging the OP or anyone in particular, just truly wonder why a call to the people that made it just...isn't...enough.
rct
rtc. Your question is “just truly wonder why a call to the people that made it just...isn't...enough.”
I mean, I know you’re an advanced member and I respect your input but at least consider why I am doubting Gibson’s word. I’ve went through Gibson numerous times and never question what they tell me but their information just doesn’t jive with what I have. Shouldn’t they be able to tell by a SN of 055118 that this isn’t a regular custom serial number? Yet they tell me that it is and that the SN traces back to a model LPC-SLBCH1. Regular Customs don’t have this type of serial number and Regular Customs don’t have a tailpiece that screws directly into the wood top(no metal inserts). All I’m asking here is for others opinion of weather I’m totally out in left field for not believing what they are telling me or if I have a good argument that they could are wrong. They aren’t GODs, they can be wrong, something could have been entered incorrectly. Without various opinions of what I have, I have no argument to take it and have them look at it so I can validate what I have. Isn’t that what forums are for? Helping people who are less educated? I don’t care if it’s more spectacular than what they say it is. I do However, care if they are telling me information that is incorrect and when I have pretty definitive proof that it isn’t what they tell me it is. Yet they will not explain to me the discrepancy in what the Serial Number says it is and what they tell me it is along with the fact it has a ’68 reissue mount on the tail piece. In addition, If I ever sell it, it sure would be nice to know what I’m selling so that I can answer questions that someone ask.
It's not as straightforward a subject as I imagined...
The regular Custom Shop LP Custom should have a CS prefix in front of the serial number but, having just had a quick look I've found (on-line) pictures of several other 'regular' (i.e. non reissue) LP Customs which are stamped with similar serial numbers to yours - 050328 being one example. Very curious.
Does your Custom have a 'Custom Shop' waterslide on the rear of the peghead-neck area?
It's hard to believe that 'The Horse's Mouth' has got it wrong but even so.......
I rarely disagree with rct's views but on this occasion I do.
It matters because, clearly, a Les Paul Custom '68 reissue will be worth considerably more than a regular Custom.
Pip.
Thanks Pip for backing me here. I feel the same way. If I want to sell it, I can’t sell it as a ’68 reissue even if I believe it is if Gibson will say that it isn’t. the ’68 Reissue is clearly worth more. It does have the ‘Custom Shop’ water slice where the neck meets the headstock. Custom across the top, shop across the bottom and Gibson through the middle.
It takes about two minutes to lift the pickups and see what is penciled under them.
If it says "LPC" you have an answer.
If it says "CS 68 RI" you have an answer.
If is says nothing you pretty much have to go with what the people that made it say it is.
rct
The pickups don’t have either of those but it does have something. It has the worn patent applied for sticker with a stickers that say #1 Wound By PS and #2 Wound by PS.
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The Serial Number on my 2005 Custom is 055118. My research tells me that this is a 2005 '68 reissue. Based on this information.
YYRRRM
YY is the production year
RRR® indicates the guitar's place in production for that year.
M is the model being reissued
Reissue model codes:
1= SG Custom and Special
2= SG Standard
3= 1963 Firebird 1
4= 1964 Firebird III
5= 1965 Firebird V & VII
8= 1968 Les Paul Custom
However, Gibson's support team is telling me that it is NOT. They say the serial number corresponds to Model number LPC-SLBCH1 which is a regular ol Les Paul Custom 2005 model.
Another thing that makes me question this information is the fact that the bridge is an ABR-1 and instead of the post screwing into the metal inserts, they screw directly into the wood top of the guitar. Although the wiring isn't all that neat, it does look to be '68 reissue wiring. I have no doubts at all that this is a true Gibson the quality is exactly what I'm used to from my experience and the setup is spot on as far as perfect intonation all along the neck. A fake just won't be close to this guy.
The person I spoke with at Gibson Support, is someone who has helped me quite a few times over the last 10 years of so and he also checked with the Custom division and they confirmed that based on the Serial Number, it's a regular Les Paul Custom.
Any help would greatly be appreciated, even if it would include a separate contact.
Thanks for your time!
Harry
Something Doesn't Jive with this Serial number and Model
in Gibson USA
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The only other thing I can note is that my Serial number doesn't have a CS either that also indicates a reissue v/s a regular custom or custom shop guitar.
Oh and just to vent,
It looks like "rtc" got his jabs in trying to slap somebody around until he figured out that I had a legitimate reason to question what Gibson was telling me and not just trying to glorify my guitar and make it more that what I was being told it was.. Nice of him to own it and admit he was wrong..