cody78
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Sheryl has a lot of nice Gibson acoustics. Regarding her music, the first two albums were pretty good, but her third 'The Globe Sessions' is a fantastic album. She should have stuck with that style, but instead decided to go pop on the follow up. Haven't heard her later albums so maybe she returned to that style?
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This guitar always proves to me that Les Paul didn't have as much input in designing his model as he sometimes claimed to have and that Ted and his team were the main designers. Aside from the gold colour and trapeze bridge Les suggested Gibson already had the Les Paul in the hollow body ES 140 that came out before the Les Paul.
From Wiki:
The Gibson ES-140 is an electric guitar manufactured by the Gibson Guitar Corporation from 1950 to 1968. The ES-140 was designed to be a student model guitar targeted towards younger players and players with smaller hands. It is 3/4 scale hollow-body guitar with a single pick up. It may be seen as a scaled-down version of the Gibson ES-175; like the ES-175 it had an all-laminate construction, which allowed the cost of materials and construction to be kept down, as well as assisting in keeping feedback at higher volumes manageable.
The ES-140T is a thinline version of the full-depth ES-140. In 1956 it replaced the original ES-140.
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In my early years (the 90's) my favourite guitarists were Slash, Angus Young, Joe Perry, Richie Sambora, Jimmy Page and Mark Makoway (from Moist). Since then I've listened to all types of music from simple to complex, from minimalism to highbrow arty stuff and I can tell you that the music that I enjoy the most is still the same bands and guitarists from my youth.
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On 2/29/2024 at 8:31 PM, Rabs said:
I dont know about best but I dont think there has been another guitar player who has ever been quite as animated as Angus.. I was always taken with this clip where he moves so much all the time throughout a show that he needs to stop and take some oxygen in to keep going.. And whats mad is he doesnt play a single bum note throughout.
Angus is still in my top 10 and it's around 32 years since I first heard AC/DC. Always loved his playing. You can always tell it's him.
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4 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said:
BB King - Live At The Regal. Sad it only a single LP.
I always preferred BB's Live in Cook County Jail. Even though I like At The Regal I thought it was a bit overpraised. My favourite BB albums are Indianola Mississippi Seeds, Completely Well and LA Midnight.
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I still regularly play a Squier Affinity at jams/ open mics as I don't have to worry about it getting knocked etc. Cool guitars...it always played well and sounds ok considering it cost me £99 in 2001.
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The guitar that inspired me to play! I've watched the Illusion tour in Tokyo videos so many times since the 90's I've probably seen that Les Paul more than any other Les Paul on the planet. A beautiful guitar...along with the Goldtop.
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It's a big one for me...40. Still appear to be the youngest on the thread!
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11 hours ago, Murph said:
Beatles music will continue to be talked about, studied and critiqued for generations.
That alone answers your question.
That's true, but how much of the Beatles fame was due to a great marketing campaign, management and hype? This goes for a lot of bands that get huge. Obviously they had writing talent, but would they have ever been as big without the hype machine and media attention etc?
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11 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said:
Who cares about chart position? The Music Industry is 100% different than it was even 20 years ago. Album sales mean absolutely nothing. Acts make money touring.
Well, true. The charts aren't/ weren't always a sign of good music. Tons of truly great music never charted. I hadn't looked at what was in the top 40 until recently when I thought I should try and keep up with what's happening now with them a bit. Just interested if the Beatles still get to No.1.
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Hmmm, so the new Beatles song is out and it sounds ok. I imagine it will go to No.1, but I'm not so sure now with the way the charts have changed over latter years. Will it fit in with Miley Cyrus, Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish and a load of rap/ grime stuff? It'll be interesting to see how it does and it might also answer my original question in this thread alongside all the replies.
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2 hours ago, Sgt. Pepper said:
Physical Graffiti and Houses Of The Holy are absolutely killer.
Agreed
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2 hours ago, Pinch said:
Okay, so I've only heard the two first albums or something. I'll repent and listen to some more of their stuff someday. Sorry for not lockstepping with what you "have" to like.
Deal?
As Sgt. Pepper said, you don't 'have to' like anything. I didn't get into Led Zep because everyone liked them, in fact when I was young in the 90's nobody I knew liked them at school or had even heard of them. I used to put 'Since I've Been Loving You' on the cassette player in our form room and everyone said they were ****. These were the people who listened to boy and girl groups of the 90's...I'm still pleased I wasn't one of them.
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On 10/17/2023 at 1:44 PM, Pinch said:
I know you're supposed to revere Zeppelin... I just find them, well... boring.
Led Zep boring? Have you heard Archilles Last Stand?
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Weird list. I don't think I've ever seen Joni on any list of greatest guitarists. Great songwriter, but great guitarist?
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1 hour ago, Sgt. Pepper said:
I have said that for ages.
Jimi may be your favorite, but he is not the best.
Indeed.
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Well, I wouldn't consider myself a 'hack' musically. I did complete a music degree back in 2008 with first class honours. I am a 'hack' when it comes to self promotion and marketing though and that is what sells a lot of records...or streams/ downloads. I think there are many on the forum who are self taught, but also a few who studied music. Many of the great musicians were self taught, so either path is good.
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I agree there is no such thing as 'the best'. People have their favourites. I guess there is 'technically' more proficient in music, but it's still subjective. In classical and jazz you have to be an extremely proficient musician, but in most other styles you can be great, average or poor and still influence millions of people. I love a lot of classical and jazz music, but I also love a lot of punk and grunge music. The skill involved is miles apart, but the overall sound is just as relevant to my ears.
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14 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:
For me, interesting classical music starts with Beethoven, not all, but especially Symphonies 3, 4 and 7. Before 3 he was still in the Mozart/Hayden mode, but like the Beatles' Rubber Soul and on, he changed music. Prokofiev, Suk, Dvorak, Shostakovitch, Tchaikovsky, Saint-Seans, and others turned out some of my favorite classical music.
I like a lot of jazz too. I lean towards Getz, Turrentine, and Desmond as my main voice is sax, but I also like Jimmy Smith, Miles, Mingus, Kenton, Basie, Corea, Nascimento, Lins and quite a few others.
No matter where it comes from, if it hits me the right way, I like it. And I don't know exactly why some songs turn me on, and something else similar may not. I tried to analyze that at one time, but I gave up, and just enjoy what speaks to me.
The Beatles were never hard rock, so you can't compare them to Zeppelin, Aerosmith, or Bon Jovi. And remember, Fleetwood Mac did a lot of soft rock like Hypnotized, Over My Head, and Sentimental Lady.
On the other hand, I'm Down, I Want You (She's So Heavy), and Revolution, may have been better choices at the concert you attended. I really like I Am The Walrus, but more for the arrangement than the musical value, and that would be difficult to pull off live.
Since 1985, I targeted the +55-year-old audience in Florida, it's good, steady work, and I focus on my audience's desires. So I don't listen to a lot of newer music. When I do, I can't stand it if I hear auto-tune artifacts, and since I'm not a word person, rap bores me. I do hear some decent new things from time to time, but I can't always identify the artist. I've heard some Radiohead, Arctic Moneys, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, NIN, Van Fleet, Coldplay, and a few others that I like.
It's great that you make your living from playing music. I respect anyone who can do that. I work as a guitar teacher and was relieved when I finally got the job. To make any money out of music can be a difficult thing.
For the most part, I would agree with you about Beethoven. I do enjoy a lot of early music pre Beethoven too though, especially choral works by Thomas Tallis, Monteverdi & Allegri and I used to know a person who played early lute stuff which I enjoyed hearing. A lot of the classical and jazz composers/ musicians you mentioned I am a fan of too. In terms of rockier/ metal stuff I grew up in the late 80's - early 90's and many of the bands I enjoyed in later years came from this period - like The Pixies, Dinosaur Jr, Testament etc.
Good point about the Beatles not being hard rock and an unfair comparison. At the gig I went to they did play things like I'm Still Standing by Elton and did an excellent version of it. Perhaps as you say, if they had have played something like I am the Walrus it would have fitted together better. 'I Want You (She's so Heavy)' is one of my favourite Beatles songs and would have worked better too.
I think the Beatles fall into various categories for me, the early stuff which I largely find annoying - especially 'Love Me Do', the mid period when they started to interest me slightly - like Eleanor Rigby, Taxman, then the later period Abbey Road & Let it Be when they had some good tunes. I still remember someone playing me the whole of the 'Help!' album when I was a teenager and thinking it was awful compared to the music I loved at the time. I never got into Sgt. Pepper either, though I do think 'A Day in the Life' is an amazing song. I do appreciate they did some great things with studio techniques at that time though, I guess I just wasn't a fan of the results. Benefit of Mr. Kite being one example. I haven't listened to that record in years.
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Well, that is quite a good rock version. I don't think many would argue that the Rolling Stones were more rock than the Beatles and the Beatles were more pop/ other styles. Even the Kinks had harder rock songs than the Beatles in the 60's. By the late 60's there were many who had a harder sound than the Beatles final few records. Not that it matters, but I think the Beatles most 'rock sounding' songs would be Helter Skelter, Back in the USSR and a few others, but by 1966-9 Hendrix, Cream, Led Zep had all exceeded them in the 'rock' sound, whilst the Beatles were more soft sounding. That isn't a bad thing, one of the great albums of 1967 was Love's 'Forever Changes' and that didn't rock much at all. I realise there wasn't a high gain sound in the early 60's but by the mid to late 60's some artists were using some very overdriven sounds for the time. For instance Clapton with the Bluesbreakers and that was in 1966! Some of the stuff Jimmy Page was doing in sessions was very overdriven too.
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Enjoying this debate. Some very good points raised. Someone wondered what I meant by 'hold up'. Well, basically older songs when played in a set of music by more recent artists. Do the songs still sound as good? My example was from the gig I went to which mainly consisted of 80's rock & pop covers. I think bands from the 90's and 00's would also be an interesting comparison. Say a band like Pearl Jam or the Smashing Pumpkins from the 90's or the fantastic Mars Volta from the early to mid 00's. My point was basically that a tune like 'Penny Lane' seemed a bit weak when next to 'Everywhere' or 'The Chain' by Fleetwood Mac, Livin' on A Prayer by Bon Jovi or Bat Out of Hell by Meatloaf. I guess the Beatles didn't really 'rock' enough compared with later artists and never had a guitar player who stood out to me. Though Harrison's 'Something' solo is beautifully minimal.
In my young years (7+) I was obsessed with Guns N' Roses, Aerosmith and AC/DC and a little known Canadian band called Moist, then in my teenage years (14+) I was equally obsessed with Led Zeppelin. I remember hearing various Beatles songs throughout that period, but they didn't really appeal to me except for maybe Strawberry Fields and Here Comes the Sun. I did buy Abbey Road when I was about 16 and liked it a lot, but for me it never came close to Led Zep's III, or Physical Graffiti, GN'R's Use Your Illusion or Appetite and Aerosmith's Pump or Get a Grip. I went on to listen to lots of other styles and the Beatles were always just 'ok' to me.
Someone made a comment about would Beethoven stand up to todays music. Well, yes he would, but many later composers took classical music to a new and maybe more exciting place years later. Composers like Shostakovich, Penderecki, Reich, Part, Barber and Adams. Similarly to the Beatles, Beethoven doesn't always grab my attention, yet the composers I just listed from the 20th century do.
My favourite records of the last 10-15 years include lesser known albums by Led Bib, Trampled by Turtles, Godspeed You Black Emperor and then in the last few months Chemtrails, NFR and Honeymoon by the very well known Lana Del Rey. There's still many more current artists who will be remembered in years to come I think.
One of my favourite albums from the 60's is Charles Mingus' The Black Saint & the Sinner Lady. Miles ahead of the Beatles to me, but then I guess it doesn't count as it's jazz and not pop, so an unfair comparison. Released in 1963 it took jazz to a whole other level whilst the Beatles were playing basic pop tunes/ covers.
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I realise this is a controversial topic as there are many Beatles fans on here, but I went to see a fantastic covers band last Sunday. They played excellent renditions of songs by Toto, Queen, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac, Bon Jovi, Meatloaf...and The Beatles. Now, I don't deny that The Beatles wrote some good songs later in their career, but what struck me was how all The Beatles songs played at the gig the other night were the weakest songs of the night. Even my partner commented that she thought the Beatles sounded out of place and took the life out of the set. I honestly don't believe the Beatles hold up to many artists that followed them. I played a few Beatles songs at an open mic with some random fellow earlier the same day and aside from Let It Be I found their early songs rather dull.
They may have been amazing from 1962 - 1970 for those who were there, but time has moved on. I can list a thousand albums I enjoy more than a Beatles record, but yet they are still very popular and I often wonder why? I'm not bashing them and I do respect them for their contribution to music and Abbey Road was pretty good.
So what do others here think?
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14 hours ago, E-minor7 said:
I of course respect the content of you post, but somehow Yorke + R-head clash too hard towards the wall, , , or floor in a thread about Rolling Stones. .
Ah yes, I was just replying to comments that someone else had posted. Slightly off topic indeed. Going back to the Rolling Stones, I thought the new song Angry was pretty good. Has references to their classic sound. I enjoyed it.
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Slash feat. Brian Johnson - "Killing Floor"
in The Gibson Lounge
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Yes, UYI 1&2 were the pinnacle of GN'R's songwriting ...though I did love Appetite, Lies & Spaghetti too. In terms of Slash's solo albums, the first Snakepit album is the best thing he ever did outside GN'R and it was great that Matt & Gilby (& even Dizzy) were on that one. Eric Dover was fantastic. Should have stuck with that line up...and got Duff in for GN'R minus Axl in the 90's.