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    fake or real j 50

    in Gibson Acoustic

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    24 minutes ago, zombywoof said:

    While Gibson added a position marker on the 17th fret around 1968 I have never seen a guitar with one on the 19th fret.   The tuners are replacements.  While I am no expert on Grover tuners I believe the lack of the patent pending stamp indicates they would date from after 1969.   

    The writing on the back of the tuners are faded but do say patent usa

    fake or real j 50

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    7 hours ago, deanc said:

    hey guys, trying to determine if the old j50  is a fake  Gibson.  no serial number , no label, bridge has been changed or never was an adjustable .  guitar has 3 dots on the fret board below the 12th fret which i hav not seen before.  guitar sounds amazing   can't seem to upload any pictures for viewing . get error message saying file to large , just a photo so not sure what is going on with that.  any help would be appreciated 

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/193117612@N05/shares/SNR9BN

    fake or real j 50

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    16 minutes ago, Dave F said:

    I don't think they started stamping the head until 1961 so you should be looking for the FON.

    Is there an ink stamp inside on the neck block?

     

    Gibson Factory Order Numbers, 1942 to 1951.

      • Serial numbers are seldon found on instruments made during WW2. But most (not all) have Factory Order Numbers (FON). These contain a four digit batch number stamped in ink, followed by a two digit sequence number written in red pencil (during WW2 only). After the war, the red pencil wasn't used (and on instruments made during the war, sometimes it's really hard to see the red penciled sequence number). Usually there is no more than 46 instruments (sequence numbers) per batch. Also no batch number with a "1" as the first digit was used during WW2. The FON is usually located on the neck block. The war-time list that follows is not definative but includes FONs that I have seen. Unfortunately I don't have every range of FON's during this period. 
        

Year    Factory Order Number 
----    --------------------
1941    G (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 2586G).
1942    907, 910, 923, 2004, 2005, 7000ish (i.e. 7119) - all 'Banner' logo.
1942    H (letter code sometimes seen after FON, i.e. 7116H). Range 5xxxH to 8xxxH
1943    Range generally 9xx to 22xx, depending on the model.
1944    Range generally 22xx to 29XX, depending on the model, some with no FON.
1945    1xx to 10xx, but many with no FON.
1946    n/a ('Banner' logo no longer used, now script logo with no banner).
1947    700s to 1000s
1948    1100s to 3700s ('Script' logo no longer used, block logo used.)
1949    2000s
1950    3000s to 5000s
1951    6000s to 9000s
        • Factory Order Numbers with a Letter, 1952 to 1961.
          This letter preceeds the batch number within the Factory Order Number (FON), and denotes the year of manufacturer. Remember, the batch number is the first 4 digits of the FON, followed by a 1 or 2 digit sequence number (within the batch). This letter should be before the FON batch number. This was used on archtop models (ink stamped inside treble F-hole) and on flat top models (ink stamped on the neck block), from 1952 to 1961:           
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Year    Letter
----    ------
1952    Z
1953    Y
1954    X
1955    W
1956    V
1957    U
1958    T
1959    S
1960    R
1961    Q

    the only thing on the inside of the guitar is a G stamped on the neck block.  i was told when i bought the guitar he thought it was a 1968 based on research he had done , but admitted he really didn't know  i haven't pulled up the pick guard yet to see if any screw holes are there .   the previous owner bought the guitar in the early 80's from a shop in  Atlanta ,(no longer in business)  and gigged with it for years.  a mystery for sure as to what it is .  wish i could upload some pics

    fake or real j 50

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    hey guys, trying to determine if the old j50  is a fake  Gibson.  no serial number , no label, bridge has been changed or never was an adjustable .  guitar has 3 dots on the fret board below the 12th fret which i hav not seen before.  guitar sounds amazing   can't seem to upload any pictures for viewing . get error message saying file to large , just a photo so not sure what is going on with that.  any help would be appreciated 

    purchase a 69 dove or a 2007

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    ok guys.  i got the 2007 dove off of reverb and  received today  the guitar looks good , action is nice. the previous owner put DR  vertias on it.  the strings sound pretty good .  Thought i would give it a few days and let the dove settle in to the new home before i make a decision on the strings.  Would like to get an idea  of what strings  the other dove owners use ? 

     

    thanks

    Dean

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    purchase a 69 dove or a 2007

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    another question folks on the 69 dove or the 2007.  the owner of what i think is a 69 says its a 68 but it has a glue down pick guar and is heavier than my 68 j 50.  the serial number is in the 68 span but the weight and pick guard are really throwing me off.   did the 68 models have a glue down  pick guard

     

    thanks

     

    Dean

    purchase a 69 dove or a 2007

    in Gibson Acoustic

    Posted

    hey guys

    i'm interested in finding a good dove.  ran across a 1969 one owner was able to play it.  had martin steel strings on it and just didn't sound that good to me.  also looking at a 2007 model but not able to play that one.   price points the 2007 is a little less than the 69.  thoughts on the one to purchase

     

    thank you

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