Allenjason95
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My problem is that I am not an expert by any means, I just think the LP's neck fits my hand better. I don't have the trained ear to tell if the pups are great and can't speak of intonation. I just want a guitar that I can grow into and keep around. I am torn on trying a new studio just to see how it feels compared to this, especially if mine is a hodgepodge of parts.
The parts not being original don’t matter if you like the guitar. It’s never going to be collectable so originality doesnt mean anything.
My first LP was a 93-95 (not sure of the exact year but I bought it new in 1995) Studio. I had bought my dad a Classic and loved it, especially the neck so i bought myself a Studio. But i just wasnt happy with the baseball bat neck my Studio had so i traded it in on another Classic.
Sound and lookswise I like the Studio. Mine was black.
If you like your current Studio IMO there’s no reason to trade it in.
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I've seen threads like this one get locked down on the PRS forum, because they don't really want people crapping on other brands. To me, it's almost like the iPhone vs. Android debate. Once you get to a certain level, it comes down to preference.
To give my thoughts on this full context, I do own 5 Gibson guitars, all electric. Relevant to the electric guitar I also own a Fender Strat, a Taylor T5z, and two Ernie Ball Music Man guitars [JP6 Starry Night and St. Vincent].
I also own a PRS Custom 24 Artist Package guitar. As PRS goes, this one is THE best of the best.
To be clear, I don't own a PRS like that one. This is THE precise PRS that I own. It cost more than my car.
In the order of things, I bought most of my guitars BEFORE this stellar PRS. However, I bought BOTH of my EBMM guitars AFTER the PRS, as well as as my Gibson Les Paul Standard Premium Quilt [just this weekend].
http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/2014/Les-Paul-Standard-Premium.aspx
The color of mine is "Ocean Water."
My thoughts on different brands of guitars:
I own all of the guitars that I own because I like how they play. I like how they look. I feel INSPIRED when I pick them up. I can get different sounds and performances out of these guitars.
With regard to companies, you can find something wrong with every company.
When I bought my PRS, I treated it like every other guitar. That is, I brought it home, let it set for about a half hour to acclimate, and then took it out of the case. I show respect for my guitars, because let's face it, they're really expensive.
My thoughts on threads like these is that they come from a highly immature place. Gibson, Fender, Ernie Ball, PRS, Taylor, and on down the line ALL stand or fall based on their own merit, and do not need to stand on the corpse of another brand in order to be superior. THIS one kicks *** and THAT one sucks is 5th grade recess banter.
It's simply unnecessary.
People have their biases. I quit a Virgil Donati forum because every single conversation was about how Virgil Donati kicks THIS drummer's ***, and THAT drummer's ***. It gets boring after a while. A thread about how Gibson stands upon the corpses of all others would be very boring, too. My preference is to talk about the features, to learn more about the guitars, to discuss any discovered "hacks" or flaws. Positive stories that might inspire investigation into a new release, or negative stories that help me look for what to potentially avoid. I'm in the Gibson forum to learn about Gibson and to talk about Gibson. I do the same in the PRS and Ernie Ball forums; talk about THEIR products and learn about them.
I like my PRS, and my Fender, and my EBMMs. I really do. But I also like my Gibsons. It's why I spent money on them. It's why I pick them up just about every day, and it's why all of my guitars are in a weekly rotation.
And I definitely do NOT have to crap on another brand in order to feel good about what I own.
All of my guitars hang on the wall. The PRS is surrounded by two acoustic guitars. One of them is a Breedlove Concert LTD, which was a limited release made of ALL Myrtlewood. It cost an arm and a leg. On the other side is a Fender acoustic that I picked up at Guitar Center for $130. I play it, too.
What all of my guitars have in common is that I like them.
So let me get this straight.....you chose....chose mind you....."Suckit" as your user name.....but you're calling people who don't like a brand of guitar "immature"?
I'm not even going to point out the irony.
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Very well said Sir.
I do not own a PRS but all that I have seen (and heard) tells me that they are very fine guitars indeed.
However, so are Gibson.
Whatever you prefer...
PRS are quality guitars as far as build, sound etc. I just think most of them are ugly and/or ridiculous looking. Personally I'm just not into that body shape or those inlays or that headstock. They really do look more like wall art than a guitar to me, most of them anyway. They remind me of hippies and businessmen. Some of the base models look a little better but I'd still take a Strat, or a Tele or a LP or a Reverend or a good looking Ibanez over a PRS.
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I never said I want the thread shut down, I said I was surprised it had not been.
We can have all the pissing contests here we want, it does nothing to improve the quality of the board. IMO All this does is makes it more like the Fender Forum... which is not a very amiable place to dwell most of the time. If that's what you guys want for this forum, so be it, I wont be around much if that's how it's gonna be.
I didn't say anything about wanting "pissing contests". I said I don't understand why if a thread bothers someone that much why they wouldn't just leave the thread? Why report it? Does the thought of an argument/debate that they aren't involved in bother them that much? When you do that you're creating a sterile, censored, boring environment. Sometimes discussions get heated. So what?
I guess I just have thicker skin than a lot of you guys. If someone says something I don't like or I disagree with I'll tell them why. It would never occur to me to report someone to the mods. I see it all the time here and on other forums, a heated discussion will be going on and next thing you know people are saying stuff like "the mods need to lock this thread" or "ban this guy" etc.
I got banned from a Les Paul site for saying I don't think 58-60 LP are "magic", I said I thought they're (most of them anyway) just great guitars but no better or worse than what's being put out today. You would have thought I had insulted everyone's mothers. Once I said I didn't think bursts were the alpha and omega of guitars guys started practically begging the mods to ban me. I see the same attitude here from a lot of people and I just don't get it.
So many people want any opinion they don't agree with "banned".
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kind of surprising that a mod has come along to shut this thread down....
lets make peace guys, and move on..
Why is it so many people here want the mods to shut down every discussion that isn't just "HNGD!"?
I know this is a pvt owned forum but I'm a fan of free speech. People arguing with passion or conviction isn't a reason to cry for a mod. If you don't like a thread.....why would you report it? Why wouldn't you just leave the thread? When people run to mods to report threads it creates a censored environment. Why would anyone want that?
I always thought of guitarists as creative free thinkers but judging by most guitar forums most seem to want to silence anyone they don't agree with.
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Hey Guy's You listen to this story, because I think I was more than fair and patient with Gibson and their Les Paul's.
First and foremost I was born in 69 so I grew up in the 70's and 80's, knowing all the while once I became interested in playing music & guitars that the brands to get were either Gibson, Fender or Rickenbacker, because as some of you may know PRS didn't really get going with mass production until about 85.
However my older brother got me into Gibson, I just loved how they looked and sounded and I always said I'll buy my own Les Paul some day, well I am now 48 years old and I have owned various guitars over the years, but none of them with the exact specs I wanted, so I waited, then in 2017 Gibson put out their new traditional model, and I looked over the specs, and it had exactly what I wanted.
From the SOLID non weight relieved body, to the rosewood fingerboard, kluson tuners, burstbucker 1 & 2 pickups, neck profile & binding, body color....everything was finally exactly how I wanted it.
So of course I go to my local music store and order one, well I eagerly awaited it's arrival and once it arrived I looked it over.
Now something you should know about me, when I am buying something, anything that costs thousands of dollars, and it's brand new, it had better be perfect, because I don't have that kind of money to spend very often as I'm sure is the same for most of you. Plus I don't leave the guitar out of the hardshell case at any time other than when I'm playing it, and even after I play it I wipe it down and handle it with ultra care to say the least.
So now that you know that about me, I unbox the guitar and I open the case and I carefully look over the guitar and on top of the flame maple was a dark spot in the wood that was about the size of a dime in diameter, and then around the lower bout or cutaway where the binding goes around and separates the top finish from the back finish, it was almost as if someone came up behind the person that was applying the binding and bumped their arm, because there was like a semi circle reveal that clearly showed the paint seam, where on the rest of the guitar the seam was covered.
This to me looked like a major flaw so I brought it back to the store and even another customer that was leaning over checking out the guitar while I was pointing out these defects to the sales guy commented " that she was surprised that they let it leave the factory like this"....the sales guy repeated that also when he saw it.
Needless to say I returned it and ordered another one, it arrived, and had the exact same flaw with the binding, so again the guitar went back, I tried for a third time to order the guitar and now weeks were going by that I'm trying to get this done without this flaw, but the third one arrived with the same defect or so it was what I was calling it because that's what it looked like.
Finally the sales guy called Gibson to ask about this specific defect with the binding on this model, and Gibson tells him " it's not a defect, it's the traditional model and that's how they were made back in the late 50's, early 60's " So then I told the guy, " that I didn't give a rats *** if that's how they were made back then because aesthetically it looks like a defect, it looks horrible ".
So I returned the guitar, and went home and did some research, and it just so happens that PRS put out a guitar over a year ago called a PRS McCarty 594 and it was GORGEOUS, thicker body than any other PRS in existence, equal thickness to the Les Paul, with mahogany bound neck and body with flame maple top, two tone and two volume knobs, tone knobs are pull out coil tap, 3 way switch, rosewood fretboard, MOTHER OF PEARL INLAYS, NOT ACRYLIC, BONE NUT NOT TEKTOID, METAL jack plate NOT PLASTIC, this beast was superior to the Les Paul in everyway, even the 58/15 LT pickups were of equal sound and quality to the fat creamy PAF's of the 59 Les Paul.
However with the flawless 10 top which is what I wanted, it was a $4200 guitar, but guess what, I've heard enough about PRS to know for a fact that the guitar was going to arrive flawless and it did, it's PERFECT, the aesthetics, the feel, the sound, and the craftsmanship is unmatched by anything I've ever seen or owned.
I've even educated myself on PRS and watched countless factory tour video's, read articles and listened to Paul Reed Smith give lectures on guitar building and the whole process of it, and he's doing things Gibson has never even thought of...For example, Gibson mass produces hundreds of guitar necks a day to be fitted to their guitars.
It takes PRS 30 days to complete one neck, and most of you might think that's stupid or retarded or not productive enough for such a huge company, however the reason why they do this, is because when wood is shaved down, be it by hand or machine, the wood moves, so it has to be slowly removed, sanded leveled over and over to ensure it is always straight and always in tune...Do I know it works? Your damn right I do.
The PRS McCarty 594 is thee only guitar I've ever received and received it on a hot 90 degree day with 80% humidity off of a UPS truck with no AC and I took it out of the case, plugged it into my digital tuner, and it was in PERFECT TUNE, I did not have to touch one tuning key.....That has NEVER happened with any Gibson, Fender or Rickenbacker that I have bought over the years...NEVER.
Well that's my story, and for those of you who may work for Gibson that might read this, you are not the company you used to be in the 70's and 80's, nor do you put out the flawless craftsmanship you were once so famous for, and it's a shame, but I'm sure you could care less about one man's loss of business, but you have lost it for the remainder of my life, from now on I am a PRS fan only.....I was more than fair with your product but your quality control is lacking, even if that was how the binding was supposed to look it looked like a cosmetic defect, and aside from that the top maple had flaws and blemishes that you would have never let leave the factory 30 years ago.
Farewell Gibson.
How many Gibsons have you returned? If you're that picky.....maybe you should only buy guitars you've actually seen first hand? I know new Gibsons cost a ton (which is why I buy used) but you sound super anal about "blemishes" so why would you by a guitar you haven't even seen? Do you just enjoy returning guitars?
As far as PRS goes 95% of them are fugly and look like they should be hanging on a middle manager's office wall....you know....to show how cool he is? I'd take a beat to hell LP over a PRS any day of the week. PRS always make me think of Santana or Phish or jam bands.
As far as "blemishes" go....you're (I assume) going to be playing the guitar....and it will develop more "blemishes". Unless it's a case queen why would you let a small "blemish" stand between you and a guitar? I just do not get why some guys want their guitars to look perfect forever.
But like others have said, good luck with the PRS, I'm sure every guitar they put out is perfect.
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Nope sorry I don't.
Thing is my post was directed to the OP of this thread.
He only posted twice, and unless I missed it he didn't say that he was in canada.
Well I most certainly did say that BB in the US (as far as I know) doesn't carry musical instruments and I did point out BB in Canada does and is an "authorized Gibson dealer" (as any legit place selling new Gibsons would be).
I assume if the deal was good enough nothing would stop the OP or me or you or anyone from buying a guitar from a BB in Canada online. I have seen guys on other forums talk about deals they got at BB on LP.
But the point is BB Canada is an "authorized" Gibson dealer the same as any music store selling Gibsons.
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Best Buy does carry Gibson products in Canada, but not in the US.
I downvoted your post but meant to upvote it. Sorry. I don't see a way to change my vote.
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You can call me paranoid if you want.
I never said that the guitars sold at BB are diffrent than those sold by GC, S&A or whatever other store.
I only say if there is a problem with your guitar you better be sure you have purchased it at an authorized dealership.
This is from the Gibson page copied and pasted:
Gibson USA and Custom Warranty
Your new Gibson instrument is warranted to be free from defects in materials and workmanship for the life of the original retail purchaser, subject to the limitations contained in this warranty.
If at any time this Gibson instrument malfunctions as a result of faulty materials or workmanship, Gibson will repair the defect(s) or replace the instrument, as it deems appropriate in its sole discretion. Gibson reserves the right to use materials regularly utilized at the time of repair in the event that original materials are no longer available. If replacement of your instrument is deemed appropriate by our staff, Gibson will replace the instrument with one of the same or most similar style of a value not in excess of the original purchase price of your instrument.
This warranty covers the cost of both labor and materials on any repair deemed necessary by our Customer Service Representative for the lifetime of the original purchaser. In the unlikely event that your instrument is destroyed, lost or damaged beyond repair, while in the possession of Gibson for repair,Gibson will replace that instrument with one of the same or most similar style of a value not in excess of the original purchase price of your instrument. Any insurance covering the instrument, including but not limited to collector's value insurance, must be carried by owner at owner's expense.
THIS WARRANTY IS EXTENDED TO THE ORIGINAL RETAIL PURCHASER ONLY AND MAY NOT BE TRANSFERRED OR ASSIGNED TO SUBSEQUENT OWNERS. IN ORDER TO VALIDATE YOUR WARRANTY, AND AS A CONDITION PRECEDENT TO WARRANTY COVERAGE HEREUNDER, YOU MUST RETURN YOUR WARRANTY REGISTRATION CARD WITHIN FIFTEEN (15) DAYS FOLLOWING THE ORIGINAL DATE OF PURCHASE. YOUR PROOF OF PURCHASE OR SALES RECEIPT MUST ACCOMPANY ALL REQUESTS FOR WARRANTY COVERAGE.
This Warranty Is Subject To The Following Limitations
THIS WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER:
- Any instrument that has been altered or modified in any way or upon which the serial number has been tampered with or altered.
- Any instrument whose warranty card has been altered or upon which false information has been given.
- Any instrument that has been damaged due to misuse, negligence, accident, or improper operation.
- The subjective issue of tonal characteristics.
- Shipping damages of any kind.
- Any instrument that has been subjected to extremes of humidity or temperature
- Normal wear and tear (i.e., worn frets, worn machine heads, worn plating, string replacement, scratched pickguards, or damages to or discoloration of the instrument finish for any reason).
- Any instrument that has been purchased from an unauthorized dealer, or upon which unauthorized repair or service has been performed.
- Any factory installed electronics after a period of one (I) year following the original date of purchase.
- Cracking, discoloration or damage of any sort to the finish or plating for any reason.
- Gibson does not warranty the playability of a instrument whose "action" is lower than the standard "action" as defined in the owners manual.
GIBSON MAKES NO OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTY OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER. ALL IMPLIED, WARRANTIES, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, EXCEEDING THE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS OF THIS WARRANTY ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED AND EXCLUDED FROM THIS WARRANTY. SOME STATES AND/OR COUNTRIES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES SO THAT THE ABOVE MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
GIBSON SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT CONSEQUENTIAL, INCIDENTAL OR OTHER SIMILAR DAMAGES SUFFERED BY THE PURCHASER OR ANY THIRD PARTY, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION. DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR BUSINESS OR DAMAGES RESULTING FROM USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE INSTRUMENT, WHETHER IN CONTRACT OR IN TORT, EVEN IF GIBSON OR ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, AND GIBSON SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY EXPENSES, CLAIMS, OR SUITS ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO ANY OF THE FOREGOING.
**Customers who purchased product outside the U.S should contact their local distributor for the handling and resolution of all warranty issues as the above-described Gibson Gold Warranty is not applicable.
How To Obtain Warranty Service
In the event of malfunction of your Gibson instrument, you should notify your nearest Authorized Gibson Dealer.
The Dealer or Owner must ship the instrument, freight and insurance pre-paid, to the nearest Authorized Gibson Service Center. If there is no Authorized Gibson Service Center near you, contact or have your dealer contact Gibson for information and an authorization to return the Instrument to Gibson. No instrument may be returned to Gibson without such prior Return Authorization. Only Authorized Gibson Service Centers may perform warranty service and any service performed by unauthorized persons will void this warranty. Gibson disclaims liability for defects or damage caused by services performed by unauthorized persons or non-warranty service not performed by Gibson or an Authorized Gibson Service Center.
When contacting Gibson, you must include a complete written description of the malfunction of the instrument. If non-warranty work is required or recommended by Gibson, a quotation will be issued and must be approved by you before any non-warranty work is commenced. You should consider quotations obtained for non-warranty work immediately and advise the Authorized Gibson Service Center or Gibson of your wishes. You are not required to purchase non-warranty work in order to obtain service on materials covered by this warranty. Following its inspection of an instrument upon its arrival, Gibson or the Authorized Gibson Service Center will advise you or your dealer of the approximate date of completion. The repaired instrument or part will be returned to you or your dealer, freight collect insured.
No representative or other person is authorized to assume for Gibson any liability except as stated in this warranty. This warranty gives you specific rights which vary from state to state or from country to country.
For further information, write:
Customer Service Dept.,
Gibson Guitar Corp.
PO Box 100087
Nashville, TN 37210-0087
Phone: 1-800-4GIBSON
Email: service@gibson.com
I also looked for Best Buy at the dealer list on the Gibson page, here:
The link above is for the state of NY, I also looked in California and din't see any Best Buy.
Because America is great and I have only limited time I couldnt scroll through all states.
Personally I am still amazed how good Gibson's customer service and warranty worked out for me,
sadly nowadays it isn't the norm with most things.
If you want to buy a new guitar in a bloody gas station because it's a killer deal go ahead, but that it's new doesn't mean that it's covered under warranty.
It could also be an exraordinary good feeling and playing instrument, but if there is a problem you are on your own.
BB in the US does not sell muiscal instruments as far as I know........I said that earlier, remember?
BB in Canada....where they do sell Gibson guitars......is an authorized Gibson dealer. Look it up.
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I get REALLY OCD with everything that costs mo than a grand
I understand being cautious but again, it's not like BB is some sketchy EBay store with 3 reviews. The Gibson you buy at BB is no different than one from GC, Sweetwater, Sam Ash or any Gibson authorized "music store". They all come from the exact same factory.
It's not even like big chain "music" stores have really knowledgeable or superior employees or superior customer service, anyone who has shopped at a Guitar Center can attest to that. Often the employees don't actually know much about the products they're selling.
If you bought a Gibson at BB it's covered by the exact same warranty as any other Gibson, if a store is selling new genuine Gibsons....they're an "authorized dealer".
So I really can't imagine...other than OCD....why anyone would even worry about buying a Gibson from BB if it was a good deal.
It's like thinking the car you buy from one dealership is going to be better or worse than an identical car from another dealership or the bottle of ketchup you buy at one grocery store is somehow different than the bottle of ketchup from a grocery down the road.
Sam Ash, Best Buy, Sweetwater, GC are all getting their product from the exact same place. Obviously there are going to be occasional duds from mass produced guitars coming out of a factory but that's just luck of the draw. Like the other guy said nobody is setting aside crappy ones to go to BB.
The only way I could see a "music store" being better than a BB is if you wanted to actually play the guitar before buying but for all I know BB might let people try out the guitars in store. Even still if you want to actually try a guitar out (I mean if you don't shop online) you're limited to whatever product a store has
I've bought most of my guitars online (all used though) and the only one I've ever had problems with is my Midtown Custom. It's got tuning issues that I'm trying to sort out.
I get being cautious but there's a difference between rational concerns and (IMO) paranoia.
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I had a pickup that stoped working properly after some time and a problem with wrong connectors on Gibson aftermarket pickups that were different than those on the original PCB in my other Lester.
This is why I buy from authorized dealers:
Gibson limited lifetime warranty!
Both problems had nothing to do with QC, both were solved.
I didn't have to ship anything and it didn't cost me a single dime.
Just some mails to Gibson Europe and a bit of waiting.
So unless it's THE DEAL OF THE CENTURY I'll buy authorized.
If BB is selling new Gibsons they're an "authorized dealer" and the Gibson warranty is going to work just like it would on a guitar bought at Guitar Center or Sweetwater.
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like many people on many forums, you guys go out of your way to avoid logic and rational thinking. all of you seem to believe in the jukebox hero guitar, and can't seem to understand that a guitar is a tool made of wood and plastic and metal. there is no magic in the guitar. none at all.
do you guys not know how a factory even works? they make money by getting product out the door, period, the end. there is no QC guy looking over guitars and directing less than perfect ones to a pile marked for best buy. a guitar passes QC or it doesn't. there is no more to it than that. i personally know at least a dozen people who have scored insane deals on gibson guitars sold at best buy. guess what? they bought fine guitars at discount prices! ZOMG!!!!!!!
i know guys who bought 2014 studio pros that retailed for $1500 can, at best buy for $500+ in early 2016. brand spanking new, perfectly good guitars for almost 70% discount.
even if you opened the box and there were no pick ups and tuners on it, you still made out like a bandit. guess what? they were perfect. another thing is the tired old song and dance guys love to spew about not buying a guitar they haven't played. dumb, dumb, dumb, 100x. you get a guitar that isn't right, you take it back and get another. screwed up instruments are rare, anecdotal internet not withstanding. for every internet horror story, i can trot out ones to show otherwise. i in fact bought my current LP sight unseen from a box store. (long & mquade) i ordered it and had it delivered to my house. i never saw it till i opened the box. i got a beautiful guitar that plays great and sounds wonderful. it was not random chance. stop believing in magic.
Totally agree and formthe record I don't think your post is trollish at all. A Gibson that came from Best Buy came from the same factory as a Gibson at GC or Sweetwater. And while I've never bought a guitar at BB (I don't think BB in the States sell guitars, or at least the one I go to doesn't) the Gibson warranty and return policies would be basically the same, regardless of the store.
It's not like BB is some shady fly by night retailer. If the guitar they sold you was defective or not to your liking I'm pretty sure they would do exactly what they do with the all their merchandise and allow you to return or exchange it.
People get really OCD about guitars for some reason when as other posters have said they're just tools from a factory.
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Just play and enjoy the guitar. I've never understood why people want their guitars to remain pristine forever or worry about a tiny blemish. Especially one under the pickguard lol.
To me a perfect looking guitar is the same as a hammer that looks brand new. It means it doesn't get much use and tools are made to be used. I wouldn't have much faith in a carpenter whose tools looked brand new and I feel the same about guitarists with pristine guitars.
I have a LP Classic from the early 90s that has arm wear at the top that is down to the wood. It's just a small spot right below the binding but I look at that and know it's from years of me playing the guitar and IMO at least it looks cool and gives the guitar character. I'm proud of that wear.
(My Classic is why reliced guitars are so silly to me, I know what my guitar has been through for the past twenty years and it's got dents and dings and a small amount of paint missing but it doesn't look anything like most "reliced" guitars with their paint "worn" off in huge patches, checking everywhere, etc)
The Studio club
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I’ve always thought it was weird how Gibson sticks gold hardware on Studios since Studios are supposed to be basic models. They always act like gold hardware is a feature on Customs.