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  1. Hi,

    I caught your post about your 70 Goldtop and noticed you may be thinking about selling it.

    If so, can you tell me how much you might want for your Deluxe?



  2. Thanks KidBlast. Norlin guitars get a bad rap from many, but the truth is, Gibson made some incredible guitars back then. Believe it or not, my '74 Deluxe plays even better than it looks. I use it for gigs because the P90's offer a bit more variety and grit over the mini-hums in my '71. For reasons I'm not sure I can fully explain (or understand) my '74 has that illusive "certain something". And I'm not the only one who thinks so. In fact, it's a running joke in my band that I never get to take break in between sets because I inevitably have a handful of people coming up to talk to me about my Goldtop and asking to try it out. I don't mind because I love seeing the looks on their faces. But I don't mean to steal this thread. The 1970 being presented by the original poster is the real reason we're here. Hopefully, his Deluxe is every bit as good as the ones I own and the one you traded off. With a little luck he'll reply and we can find out.
  3. This isn't exactly true. There are, in fact, a number of noticeable differences between Les Pauls made between 1971 and 1974. Admittedly, those differences are small and relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. For example, the internal wiring channel differs between the years. But for the most part, you're right, the 1971 through 1974 Les Paul Deluxes are considered fairly equal in terms of value, playability, and other respects.
  4. It's true that the Deluxe model was the low end version of Les Pauls from 1968 thru the late 1970's, but there's a bit of a cult starting to emerge for the '68 and '69 years (mostly because the earlier Les Pauls made between 1952 and 1960 are too expensive for the average person to purchase). Despite the smaller headstock and other features on your 1970 model it is not quite as popular and is much less sought after. Even so, it is still slightly more desirable than the '71 thru '74 years. What you have is an early to mid 1970 Deluxe in average condition. In my area (Northwest USA) the ASKING price for that guitar would likely be somewhere around $3200. The SELLING price would be lower... probably around $2800. If the guitar was in excellent and all-original condition you could add another three to five hundred dollars to the price. If the body is a one-piece (as opposed to the pancake style that came out in mid-1970), you might be able to ask a bit more, as well. You'll see much higher prices online, but the majority of those are from dealers who are hoping to snag a buyer who has "gas" for that specific model/year. To those in the know, the dealer and eBay prices are absolutely and utterly laughable. Likewise, the Blue Book values almost never match the actual selling prices. No one in their right mind would pay those amounts because it is possible to find similar guitars from non-dealers for much less. All of that being said, 1970 Les Paul Deluxes can be terrific guitars. I own two Goldtop Deluxes....a 1971 (with mini-humbuckers) and a 1974 (with P90s). Both are in near-showroom condition and both are utterly amazing sound-wise. As it happens I've been thinking of selling my '74. If I were to let it go I'd likely ask around $2700 (with the original case, as well). Hopefully, that gives you a roundabout idea of the true value for 1970 thru 1974 Deluxes in very good shape. So that you can match the condition of your 1970 to mine, here's a pic of my '74... I'm just curious.... how much are you thinking of asking for your 1970? I might be interested myself!! I'm not a dealer. The other guitarist in my band has a mid-1970 Goldtop and I prefer the neck profile on his guitar. It feels more comfortable to me. Incidentally, he bought his 1970 Goldtop three or four years ago for $1900. It is in "player" condition, however. One more snippet of help for you... the seller of the guitar you're looking at must have no clue when it comes to verifying the age of guitars. The vast majority of 1972 Les Paul Deluxes models came with embossed pickups covers.
  5. Thanks for the compliment! I've had several Les Paul standards and customs from '71 onwards. I have to say, this Les Paul Special is, at least, equal to the others. It's not as bright sounding as a common Les Paul, but it can growl and scream and ooze with silky smoothness like no other.
  6. Here's mine... A very rare 1993 Custom Shop Limited Edition (#59 of 300), Les Paul Special Double Cut. She plays like butter and is much more than a "one-trick pony". I can get amazingly clear jazz tones from her, fun spanky funk, and, of course, the famous snarly growl. She's great for giving a thick rhythm, but can definitely sing and scream for lead!! Lately, I've been using her for slide. The great thing about the double cut version is that you can get all the way up the neck much the same as with an SG. But unlike SGs that tend to have wider necks and thinner bodies, my Special has the Les Paul 1960 style neck and a very thick body. This translates into a guitar that isn't prone to neck dives. Mine is a gloss Heritage Cherry with dual P90s. I completely agree that you do not have all of the sounds in the world until you've got a P90 Junior in your arsenal. With so many people swinging the more common Les Pauls, people look up and take notice when you play a Junior.
  7. A couple of weeks ago I bought a Les Paul Special double cut - Limted Edition (#59 of 300) - with a serial number of 932134xx. Before I bought the guitar I called the Gibson customer service line about the guitar and was told that they weren't sure but they thought the "limited edition" designator was basically a Gibson marketing ploy. The representative said that he was guessing, so if I didn't mind waiting he would forward my information request to those in the company who might know more and get back to me. I didn't think much more about it and decided to buy the guitar because it was exactly what I wanted. Well, I just received the message below from the Gibson Customer Service group... Hello, Thanks for writing! This model was initially introduced in 1993 as a limited edition run of 300. These were later brought into regular production, until discontinued in 1995. The limited run of 300 were the initial Custom Shop run from late-1993. Thank you for the inquiry. Best regards, Benton Cummings Gibson Customer Service 1-800-4GIBSON Not only is this great news for those who own a Les Paul Special Limited Edition, but it goes to show that a little research into one's guitar can come up with interesting results. It also shows that Custom Shop guitars can sometimes have normal or common serial numbers.
  8. Epiphone has made a Les Paul Special Double Cut model. Have a look at the attached pic. A google image search will show others, I'm sure.
  9. I figured that I owed future readers an answer to my question. I spoke with a couple of luthiers about swapping tulips for the lima bean buttons on Gibson Deluxe tuners. All three said it is possible, but is a bit of a pain in the butt. To swap the buttons you first have to remove the tuners. Next you need to heat the shaft until the button comes loose. Most times, this melts the plastic so at this point you've basically ruined the button. It won't work if you try to refit it. Once you have the button off you use super glue or an epoxy to fit the new (tulip) buttons. All three luthiers suggested epoxy as you run the risk of not having enough time to fit the button on correctly before the super glue dries. So there you have it. I think that I'll just go ahead and pick up a set of used tulip tuners. That way I can always return the guitar to it's original state. If I screw it up now someone 30 years down the line will be asking, "What the hell was the guy thinking?"
  10. I've got the Gibson Deluxe tuners on there now. Although I've always had better luck with the Grovers keeping tune, I don't want to swap out for the Grover style. To do so would mean I'd have to ream the tuner hole out and I'm really not interested in doing that. I want to stay with the Gibson Deluxes. I just want to go with the tulip style buttons.
  11. I've got a Les Paul Special Double Cut reissue that came with the lima bean style tuners. I've seen a LPSDCs with the keystone or greenish tulip style buttons and they look much better than the white beans. Rather than going through all of the trouble and cost to swap out my tuners, is it possible to swap the buttons/keys alone? The site below sells the keys. http://elderly.com/accessories/items/TK7711.htm My LP stays in tune perfectly. This is just one of those vanity things. So has anyone done this or is it even possible?
  12. Whale

    Real or Fake?

    I came across this Zakk Wylde model. I'm not up on his guitars, yet I've never seen one with a Floyd Rose bridge either. Is this a real model or a fake? You tell me. If it's real, what would you say is a fair price for it?
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