MCK Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I am checking the DF3 Instantly Activated standard tuning against the GR3 Tuner and I'm finding that its DF is flat. All other tunings are also flat according to GR3. I checked and verified GR3 reference is 440 and so is DF since I just factory resetted it so somehow one of these guys is not accurate. Which one should I believe? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I noticed the same thing - It showed the Dark Fire was about a half step flat - have not had time to debug Id contact NI tech support for an answer -I feel its their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 I noticed the same thing - It showed the Dark Fire was about a half step flat - have not had time to debug Id contact NI tech support for an answer -I feel its their problem. Great! For once it appears I'm not causing my own trouble here... So you were able to check DF tuning against a trusted tuner and find that the Instantly Activated tuning is a good honest EADGBE to the reference of A440? Thanks for confirming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Actually I suspect the default Dark Fire is western Europe (German) convention of A=438 its was a tad flat I hope to check with my Peterson strobe tuner soon Or my Iphone http://guitartoolkit.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Good idea. Why didn't I think of that! I do have the guitar toolkit on my iphone and checked the DF tuning against it. Well, it appears DF is in tune and GR3 is the one that is out of tune. That is according to Guitar Toolkit on iPhone which I suppose is not an immensely accurate judgment but nevertheless is still a data point. Anyone with a known, trusted tuner to set this one to rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitartoolkit Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey guys. Just a note to say we're pretty sure GuitarToolkit is right on the money for A=440 tuning. We've been tested against lots of different hardware tuners, even a Peterson strobe, and come up "accurate" ... Thanks -- GuitarToolkit team. http://guitartoolkit.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 9, 2009 Author Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey look at that!!! You really have your ears to the ground!!! Your software is one of my best buys on the iPhone. Great job. Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hey "guitartoolkit" I'm equally impressed! Thanks for checking out our little region of the web, and chiming in with the facts! PS - I tell everyone I meet they must get GuitarToolkit for Iphone - its the best of its type ! http://guitartoolkit.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitartoolkit Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Thanks for the great feedback! By the way, we are active on Twitter also: @guitartoolkit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 Ok. Posted about this on NI Forum and heard from another user that they too have seen such inaccuracies. I opened a bug report. Will let you all know if & when I hear from NI on this. Meanwhile trust your DF more than the GR3 when it comes to tuning!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonutalan1 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 When all else fails, I trust a proven A440 tuning fork (I have several; they all agree)...Dark Fire is dead on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 Ok. Issue resolved thru workaround. My buffer size was set at 256 samples and this was giving me a latency of about 17ms which I was ok with... Turns out the Tuner in GR3 needs some more CPU juice so when I was running at that rate it somehow was misreading the frequencies... Not good. Dropping sample rate to 128 gave me a latency of about 11ms and tuner started to respond accurately. Not a big deal as we have our tuner built in but thought I should share. Here's the thread on the NI forum http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80118 ... Bug report filed but I have no idea how NI will treat this beyond this workaround. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaBoy23 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Well if the Instantly Activated Tuning is a bit flat then tune it manually up to the right standard pitch then store it over the preset Standard tuning and the when u want it in Standard A440Z tuning, it will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonutalan1 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 CanadaBoy23, While your method would work IF, IF, IF the DF Instantly Activated Tuning was incorrect, it is not; it's dead nuts on A-440! If you re-read the thread carefully, you'll find that the problem (misunderstanding) arose from not giving GR3 the processing headroom it needs, thus giving a false reading from GR3. The solution is to change the sampling rate in GR3 (or get a faster computer, run fewer processes simultaneously, etc.), thus bringing it (GR3) into conformity with A-440. Or, just use an A-440 tuning fork to check tuning and ignore GR3. And, welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCK Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 Exactly. Thanks for sorting this out. DF is good. GR3 needs a clear head to tune well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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