jsd88 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I still am waiting for my Dark Fire (Arhhg!! I ordered it December 18, 2008) When I receive it, can I do the following? When I come up with a sound I like in Guitar Rig. Can I LOAD that into the Dark Fire and take it to a gig and "play" that patch from just the Dark Fire? Thanks, Joe D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 When I come up with a sound I like in Guitar Rig. Can I LOAD that into the Dark Fire and take it to a gig and "play" that patchfrom just the Dark Fire? no you need RIP and a computer. if you want onboard amp sounds - seek a used alesis x-guitar: but they are very limited and no editing - http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/alesis-x-guitar/Jun-05/10108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaBoy23 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 in this video he says that you can store those sounds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNOLPNIwinc maybe he's mistaken. I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsd88 Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Thanks elantric, So, to take this one step further (since I'm still waiting for my Dark Fire). At the gig, I have my DF hooked into the RIP into the laptop then to an AMP (not sure of the order). Can I have a list of "favorite patches" in Guitar Rig. If so, how do you access those patches? The laptop? the MCK? Other ways? I have an older Native Instruments Guitar Rig "Rig Kontrol" like the one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Native-Instruments-Guitar-Rig-Kontrol_W0QQitemZ290299290620QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item290299290620&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Would I be able to utilize this with my DF and newer Guitar Rig? It doesn't have USB. Thanks for any insight. Later, Joe D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 JSD88 - The old original Rig Kontrol used short burst pulses directly in the audio stream. I suspect this will conflict with the Dark Fire RIP - best to use an alternative controller. At this hour your choices are: (simple) * NI Rig Kontrol III - direct USB connection - disregard its audio connections (traditional) * Behringer FCB-1010 MIDI footcontroller with third party MIDI to USB Interface * Roland FC-300 MIDI footcontroller with a third party MIDI to USB Interface * Yamaha MFC-10 MIDI footcontroller with third party MIDI to USB Interface (exotic) * Apple Itouch / Iphone running ITM Matrix as a wireless remote guitar / guitar strap / mic stand mounted GR3 preset change controller: - it sends proprietary command to your WinXP, Vista, Mac machine running the server application which sends MIDI commands to your audio application. http://www.itouchmidi.com/?q=node/5 * a Keyboard MIDI controller - Novation X-Station, Roland PCR-30, etc. * A multiuse MIDI controller ( Behringer BCR-2000, Lemur, == * An old multiFX unit which transmits MIDI - I'm using a POD XT Live - strictly as a MIDI controller. Google search on "MIDI Controller for more ideas! http://tinyurl.com/coh58x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigr726 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I got a new Rig Kontrol, now I'm curious how to set up the system. I'm guessing: DF->RIP->Rig Kontrol->Computer ->Active Monitors Does that seem right or wrong to anyone else? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
har Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I would recommend: DF -> RIP RIP Line Out -> Active Monitors or Mixing Console RIP Firewire -> Computer Rig Kontrol USB -> Computer Don't use Audio In and Audio Out of the Rig Kontrol Select the RIP in the audio configuration of GR3 I have'nt got my DF yet, but i think the RIP has lower latency as the Rig Kontrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 No You should use: DF->RIP->Firewire to Computer >RIP Outputs > Two Active Monitors To toggle GR3 presets and make changes on the fly with Guitar Rig Also run Rig Kontrol-USB >Computer - then in GR3 preferences, define the Rig Control as control device "Preferences". Do not use the Rig Control Audio In or Out. Use RIP for Audio In and Audio Out More here: http://forums.gibson.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=13102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigr726 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Thanks for the inputs, guys. I just got a few minutes to tinker around and those monitors sound great (I got the Samson Resolv 65A Active ones that Elantric recommended in another thread). Hopefully I'll get a bit longer tomorrow to check it out. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 FWIW - Its best to use balanced TRS to XLR cables between RIP Outputs and each Resolve 65A Input http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Horizon-XLRTRS-Cable?sku=336971&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=26023210 Resolve 65A (on sale) http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-SAM-RES65A-LIST They are good bang for the buck - and they won a blind Near Field monitor shoot out in a UK recording magazine. Owners Manual http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/Resolv65a_ownman_v4w-52291bcfb38498704fdeea69cb03daed.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigr726 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'm new to the whole computer music scene here, so I may be missing something very easy. But, I go to GR3 preferences, midi input, and the only option is Guitar Rig 3 Virtual Input and I can't see a way to add another input to assign to the Rig Kontrol. Any ideas? Thanks for the time, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Download the Rig Kontrol manual More tips here: http://tinyurl.com/cd8oo9 http://tinyurl.com/cr2rca http://tinyurl.com/d7xzg4 http://www.native-instruments.com/knowledge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigr726 Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Turns out that the mac actually needed a driver, believe it or not. It seems to be working now, still a lot of fine tuning to be done when I get the chance, but GR3 is responding to the RK now. Thanks for the help/tips/advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I am looking for a foot controller that can be used for both Guitar Rig and separately for the built in effects of an amp. I was thinking about getting something like this as the amp: http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-Spider-III-150-Modeling-Combo-Amplifier?sku=482270 This is a foot controller that is compatible with the amp, but it probably couldn't work with Guitar Rig, right? http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvshortboard.html Something like a Behringer FCB-1010 probably wouldn't work with the amp, right? Is there any way to have one foot controller for both? I don't always want to use Guitar Rig and I don't want to have two foot controllers. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantric Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You are stuck with the Spider III - no third party interface is there. Consider upgrading to a used Line6 Vetta - same price these days. Then you could use the Line6 FBX Floorboard to control both Vetta and GR3 - using the Vetta's MIDI Output Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm not set on the Spider. I would like something with built-in effects though. Any other options among any brands/different set-up options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Oops, I guess the Vetta has built-in effects. Any less pricey options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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