MSteve222 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Trying to determine if this is the original paint job? Seems to be some imperfections, possibly due to age and fairly heavy clear coat. Any insight is appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2bflash Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 I would say not original paint or pickups. That is my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2bflash Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Also that would be a GR4 not a GM4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSteve222 Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, r2bflash said: Also that would be a GR4 not a GM4. Thanks. I thought that as well. Seller listed as Gm4R. I couldn't find another with that designation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSteve222 Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, r2bflash said: I would say not original paint or pickups. That is my opinion. Yeah, I was aware the pickups were not original. Can I ask why you believe the paint is not original? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2bflash Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, MSteve222 said: Yeah, I was aware the pickups were not original. Can I ask why you believe the paint is not original? No Steinberger logo among other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be.eM Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 +1 Pickups, knobs, the second strap button, and the finish are not original. The missing logo tells that, and silver has never been a regular finish option. Just used on a few factory custom models, and this is not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSteve222 Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 2:24 PM, r2bflash said: Also that would be a GR4 not a GM4. Still trying to get background. Gibson has been no help. Can you tell me what tells you this is a GR as opposed to a Gm? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be.eM Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) A GM came with either the TransTrem or the S-Trem, and for those it had a non-symmetrical tremolo routing. That's the main difference which you can spot on the first glimpse. Additionally the early GMs (Newburgh) came with a binding, and in most cases active EMGs (which can of course be replaced, and there were GMs with passive pickups, too). You can get a good overview of "what is what" by looking at the old catalogs here, e.g. 1986/87 (bound GMs) or 1989 (without binding). By the way, the designation "GM4R" is a made up name used by Ed Roman who regularly butchered GM bodies to take up R-Trems and sold this as "original Steinberger", which it never was. Don't worry, that's not what you have. You just have a refinished GR-4R. Edited February 2, 2022 by Be.eM added details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSteve222 Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Be.eM said: A GM came with either the TransTrem or the S-Trem, and for those it had a non-symmetrical tremolo routing. That's the main difference which you can spot on the first glimpse. Additionally the early GMs (Newburgh) came with a binding, and in most cases active EMGs (which can of course be replaced, and there were GMs with passive pickups, too). You can get a good overview of "what is what" by looking at the old catalogs here, e.g. 1986/87 (bound GMs) or 1989 (without binding). By the way, the designation "GM4R" is a made up name used by Ed Roman who regularly butchered GM bodies to take up R-Trems and sold this as "original Steinberger", which it never was. Don't worry, that's not what you have. You just have a refinished GR-4R. Great info. Thanks very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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