Oltre Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Hello everyone my name isHello everyone my name is Joseph, I am Italian and have recently joined the forum ... I'm a happy owner of a Gibson The Paul Classic Antique Mahogany, a bad chitarrone's about making a big voice! But .. there is a but ... as the title I literally fell in love with an ES-335 tested for the event ... from that moment I started to read up and getting into the world of the Spanish Electric and I plunged into a world of many models, so many jewelry ... definitely some minutes ... after weeks of 'study' I think I understand a little more of these guitars, and the search for my ES has led me to a 335! Actually I started the Myth or better from my MITO and the suggestion that this creates ... I wanted a Epiphon Casino inspired by that of Lennon! Than anything else is in the catalog Gibson in 2 versions, one version costs € 15,000 and € 1,500 (both Epiphone) ... from here reading reading I learned that the Epiphone "historic" were products of the highest level and instead those current are in fact a kind of very cheap line of Gibson and that more than anything else you pay for the name! I was so moved to the parent and then speaking to the 330, the twin of the casino ... very good guitar ... beautiful ... but the facts do not just centered my purpose ... in the sense that I am playing pop and pop / rock singer-songwriter from the Italian and British wanting to use the guitar for yourself, for the arpeggiated accompaniment to the sounds of an acoustic arrangements within the backgroun was more difficult to manage in terms of feedback Lanser, indenting, etc. ... also studying here a while, I learned the difference between acoustic, semi acoustic, etc. ... and facts (since I already have a LP) model ES has manifested itself: the 335!! So I went to try a limited edition of 335 black handle 60 and pickup Burstbucker 1 and 2. Electrocuted!! But I continued to study and inform me so I learned that the differences within the same model do not refer only to aesthetics but some details also affect the sound and the handling of the guitar itself! At this point, however, we can not test all the models for reasons of time and opportunities I need some help from someone who knows so much and those who play a lot, so I came to the place where the word Gibson is the heart .. . so I ask you: since I want to do this spending, I (like everyone else) to do it well, certainly not to spend € 35,000 but not 10,000 or 5000 ... because I can not afford unfortunately not for each other ... and then I want clarify some aspects that I did not clear. The points are: 1) How many types of handles (profiles and shapes) are there for the 335? I read that there is a '59, 60 'slim, there are others? but especially at the level of dexterity of smoothness that is the difference between these? I've heard that 59 is fabulous because it is very smooth and easy to handle! 2) being a semi-acoustic woods affect the sound in a decisive manner for which there are models that give a sound with more harmonics than another? 3) even the pickups affect the sound, I know that on this model using the 57 classic, the P90 and PAF style (Burstbucker) you tell me what difference there is between these timbre? someone a little more midrange, someone It's much brighter, etc. ... I have a very precise idea of what I want from this great tool and I want a guitar neck with sweet, smooth, soft, with a great action, which lends itself very well to only without tiring your hands and has a sound that manages to its nature to pierce the mix with disarming ease! This is a sketch of my love, now I know that there is no universal explanation, that the variables are so many and especially the personal taste creates 90% of the final result ... but it is also true that the different construction types affect the result that know how the various components affect the "soul" of the guitar is a great starting point to begin to say, this is, not that! I hope there's some kind soul who has the patience to read'm this divine comedy I wrote and that I reserve a few minutes to explain on certain aspects of this extraordinary and fascinating instruments that escape me! Hello and good music always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwich Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Welcome Oltre. I am a realtive novice, only playing for 10 years and have been playing 335 style guitars for 5 or 6 years, but will try to answer your questions in general. All of it is subjective in nature, so very much personal preference. Having said that... 1) The 60s slim taper is the classic ES335 neck, is flatter, more popular, and what I prefer. But if you are playing an LP, you might prefer the 59 taper(fatter, rounder). Although they are both very nice, you might want to pick the one closest to your LP's profile. I like the slim 60, because I have a Es335, a ES339 and 2 Midtowns which all have the same neck. So, they play similarly. 2) I think that most 335s are laminated maple with mahogany necks, so will sound similarly, depending on the pickups. Most of the differences are cosmetic or electrical. Experienced musicians will say that among the same ES335 model, guitars will sound differently, depending on a number of factors, so it is best to play more than one if possible when shopping. I also very much like my 339, due to it smaller body style, but it is a little brighter sounding that my 335. Good to have both IMO :) 3) The 57 Classic is the standard ES335 pickup and what one mostly hears on recordings, like Mr. Larry Carlton. They tend to be characterized as mid to warm, but pretty versatile. I have them in my 335, 339, and LP. I don't have Burstbuckers, but most characterize them as harder, more aggressive sound, although a lot of the tone can be accounted for by a player's attack, the amp settings, pedals, etc. The P90s are a completely different animal. Wider ranging, with very good upper mid to high bell like tones, but also can get crunchy. They are single coil and so noisier than the 2 humbuckers. Hope that this helps and good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oltre Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Welcome Oltre. I am a realtive novice, only playing for 10 years and have been playing 335 style guitars for 5 or 6 years, but will try to answer your questions in general. All of it is subjective in nature, so very much personal preference. Having said that... 1) The 60s slim taper is the classic ES335 neck, is flatter, more popular, and what I prefer. But if you are playing an LP, you might prefer the 59 taper(fatter, rounder). Although they are both very nice, you might want to pick the one closest to your LP's profile. I like the slim 60, because I have a Es335, a ES339 and 2 Midtowns which all have the same neck. So, they play similarly. 2) I think that most 335s are laminated maple with mahogany necks, so will sound similarly, depending on the pickups. Most of the differences are cosmetic or electrical. Experienced musicians will say that among the same ES335 model, guitars will sound differently, depending on a number of factors, so it is best to play more than one if possible when shopping. I also very much like my 339, due to it smaller body style, but it is a little brighter sounding that my 335. Good to have both IMO :) 3) The 57 Classic is the standard ES335 pickup and what one mostly hears on recordings, like Mr. Larry Carlton. They tend to be characterized as mid to warm, but pretty versatile. I have them in my 335, 339, and LP. I don't have Burstbuckers, but most characterize them as harder, more aggressive sound, although a lot of the tone can be accounted for by a player's attack, the amp settings, pedals, etc. The P90s are a completely different animal. Wider ranging, with very good upper mid to high bell like tones, but also can get crunchy. They are single coil and so noisier than the 2 humbuckers. Hope that this helps and good luck. Thank you for your precise and detailed answer. I know that there is a precise and definitive answer to my questions and the personal taste strongly impact the choice of instrument, but I also think that the different structural characteristics can in turn affect the type of use that is made of the guitar. My LP has these design features: NECK Species: Mahogany Profile: LP Slim Peghead Pitch: 17° Head Inlay: Americana "Gibson" Script FINGERBOARD Species: Rosewood Scale Length: 243/4" Number of Frets: 22 Nut Width: 1.695" Inlays: Trapezoid Fingerboard Binding: Single Ply HARDWARE Plating Finish: Nickel Tailpiece: Stopbar Bridge: Tune-o-matic Knobs: Amber top hat Tuners: Green key Neck Pickups: ’57 Classic, uncovered with nickel polepieces Bridge Pickups: ’57 Classic Plus, uncovered with nickel polepieces Controls: 2 volume, 2 tone, 3-way switch OTHER Strings: Brite Wires .010-.046 CASE Case Interior: White Plush Case Exterior: Hardshell with black reptile pattern Case Silkscreen: Silver Gibson USA Logo and is a very aggressive animal, roars, it is very rock, with the 335 I would like the sound a bit different, I do not want a guitar accompaniment very bad, no heavy metal, no power chord, but a more refined soloist, in a voice that pierces the mix, capable of being heard in detail, soft to the touch, easy to handle, with a gritty voice necessary but not as bad as my LP. From what I read these days it seems to me that most say that the neck of '59 is easier to handle and gives more sustain, as you said, too leni on the body are all quasii maple, while the keyboard maybe it could be smoother ebony ... At this point a difference is made by the pickup, I already know the '57 classic having them on the LP would like to understand better the frequency response The characteristic tone of PAF and P90, you know where I can find a datasheet of these pickups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Versatile Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 A personal 0.02 herewith... Many 335-ers including moi, enjoy the 'Dot' which is at the lower end of the price range I have the Tri-Burst figured which for me is perfect, not being overly interested in nuances of neck profile The 335-S is another terrific alternative...solid maple body, chunky neck profile, Burstbucker P/U's... V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oltre Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 I managed to find the site gibson a brief guide to the guidelines to the various pickups. summing if I understand: 1) 57 Vintage classic and classic plus: vibes with rich warm tones, balanced coils, very sound cast, big voice, angry 2) P90 less: '50s Historic tone, warm and soulful, less aggressive than 57, more gentle, less rough, with a sound somewhere between a single coil and a humbucker. 3) Paf (Burstbucker): more bite and brilliance, airy tone and unbalanced coils There are different versions with different characteristics but vote for greater brightness of the sound, say more defined in The characteristic sound but (if I understand correctly) to be less noisy than others! In theory, these are the pickups that Gibson alternative and has alternated over the years on the ES-335 Excluding the 57 mounts them already because my Les Paul, one of the 2 left maybe I attract more of the PAF because this brilliant in theory more midrange and this helps a lot in a mix to bring out the guitar ... in addition has a much lower background noise which helps ... The practical problem is another ... find a version of the ES-335 with handle ciccioso and PAF pickups and ebony fretboard among those in business or in the world of used, if only to try it ... otherwise it would have to take a version with handle '59 ebony fretboard and in case if its the sound that is not exactly what I try to change it by buying 2 beautiful PAF!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oltre Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 I managed to find the site gibson a brief guide to the guidelines to the various pickups. summing if I understand: 1) 57 Vintage classic and classic plus: vibes with rich warm tones, balanced coils, very sound cast, big voice, angry 2) P90 less: '50s Historic tone, warm and soulful, less aggressive than 57, more gentle, less rough, with a sound somewhere between a single coil and a humbucker. 3) Paf (Burstbucker): more bite and brilliance, airy tone and unbalanced coils There are different versions with different characteristics but vote for greater brightness of the sound, say more defined in The characteristic sound but (if I understand correctly) to be less noisy than others! In theory, these are the pickups that Gibson alternative and has alternated over the years on the ES-335 Excluding the 57 mounts them already because my Les Paul, one of the 2 left maybe I attract more of the PAF because this brilliant in theory more midrange and this helps a lot in a mix to bring out the guitar ... in addition has a much lower background noise which helps ... The practical problem is another ... find a version of the ES-335 with neck largest (59 style) and PAF pickups and ebony fretboard among those in business or in the world of used, if only to try it ... otherwise it would have to take a version with handle '59 ebony fretboard and in case if its the sound that is not exactly what I try to change it by buying 2 beautiful PAF!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oltre Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hello, after some few days past to clear my head and try different guitars I got to the point ... You do it My Love, has the features I want and in my hands is just fine (the pickups are the 57 classic and not burtsbucker but it does not matter in the end, if I want them I'll change later) ... But I would like to ask you one thing, in a market of musical instruments online very well known and used in Italy I found this guitar . The owner asserts that it is a limited edition version and great quality, top of the range ... and that is not the same guitar for sale in my store. I ask you, but the series and the Historic Reissue are not the same thing? there a difference? why his used guitar signed Historic costs € 3000.00 and the new Reissue costs € 2985.00? possible that he tells the truth or are we talking about exactly the same guitar, same model, same quality, same components, same woods, in fact two ways to identify the same guitar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejohnny Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hello, after some few days past to clear my head and try different guitars I got to the point ... You do it My Love, has the features I want and in my hands is just fine (the pickups are the 57 classic and not burtsbucker but it does not matter in the end, if I want them I'll change later) ... But I would like to ask you one thing, in a market of musical instruments online very well known and used in Italy I found this guitar . The owner asserts that it is a limited edition version and great quality, top of the range ... and that is not the same guitar for sale in my store. I ask you, but the series and the Historic Reissue are not the same thing? there a difference? why his used guitar signed Historic costs € 3000.00 and the new Reissue costs € 2985.00? possible that he tells the truth or are we talking about exactly the same guitar, same model, same quality, same components, same woods, in fact two ways to identify the same guitar? hi, I think the price for the new one is kind of strange. In germany 59-reissues go for around 3900 to 4400,- €. Did you contact the store already? Mayby its a mistake on the website. Mayby its this guitar they are selling there: http://www.musikhaus-hermann.de/xtv/de/ELECTRIC-GUITARS/Gibson/Jazz-Modelle-ES/CS-Serie/Gibson-ES335-Reissue-Dot-Fat-Neck-Antique-natural if thats the case, build quality and used parts will be different to the used custom shop guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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