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  1. Nice! Is the one in the center a Premiere?
  2. ^This^ Gibson marketing really made it difficult for future owners with this questionable tactic. Technically they are "Custom Shop Series" models. I know by 2014 they ceased doing that.
  3. Sorry, I pulled the 2014 339 by mistake. Actually by poor eyesight! Here is the 2014 335 https://web.archive.org/web/20140923163717/http://www2.gibson.com/products/electric-guitars/es/gibson-memphis/2014/es-335-studio.aspx
  4. All you need is a time machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20151014213735/http://www.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/2015/Memphis/ES-335-Studio.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20141019141951/http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/ES/Gibson-Memphis/2014/ES-339-Studio.aspx BTW, I have a 2016 and I'm really impressed with it.
  5. I believe a 2005 from Nashville would automatically make it a Custom Shop model? That means "special attributes" in itself.
  6. I am neither. But obviously you're not interested in the real message. No matter who you hear it from.
  7. It means they are not going to tell you, period. They've also said "they don't know" as another way to deflect the question. But at least "not available" is a lot more honest answer. Sometimes some detective work can yield numbers when they are more limited. First, there are certain models that when released, Gibson said right off the bat there were "XX" number made. And those are generally more well known and documented as such. But there are other ones that when released, dealers were sent info on the models that said, for example, "60 made for world wide distribution". I have personally searched old websites and found some of these cases. I have a 2015 and 2016 reissues that I traced to claimed production for 50 and 60 respectively. In both cases, when I contacted Gibson to confirm those numbers, they would neither confirm nor deny the numbers. For the record, I saved screen shots of the old web pages to keep as documentation.
  8. https://reverb.com/ca/item/40453-gibson-custom-shop-1961-es-335-vos-reissue-2012-61 A quick search for a start
  9. The more you can tell us the better. Where do you get the model number? How do you know it is a '61 reissue? Are you sure it is not a '59 reissue? Always start by contacting Gibson by phone or email as they can verify what it is and give you info on it.
  10. Are you absolutely positive of the W in the NW1? Pic? That digit should be the tailpiece, and being a stopbar should be H. Other ones of that model I looked at were NH. Could be a mistake.
  11. Almost. N = Nickel Hardware H = Hardtail 1 = Gibson distribution code
  12. gnappi can indeed tell you quite a bit about it. That's a great ES-330 '59 reissue you have there. Not sure where you get the "hand made at Memphis Custom Shop" from, as there was never any Custom Shop in Memphis. Gibson did say some really misleading things, though. Here is a nice review on it: https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/hands-on-review-gibson-memphis-1959-es-330-historic/
  13. Hard to describe, but I would say less hot. Not better, not worse. Just different.
  14. Thanks, you've illustrated that the deception is even worse than I was aware of. Not only a moving target, but inconsistent. Sure, they had a genuine "need" to try to identify special models, ones that were supposed to be a cut above the average ones. But their use of "Custom" and "Custom Shop" especially the sporadic use, was serving only their marketing and sales, and was doing their discerning customer a disservice. Understanding the models became quite difficult.
  15. Right, so they we "custom shop" by name only. Which is totally misleading. I don't think that was a fair thing for Gibson to do. They were intentionally being deceptive. It is hard to argue they weren't. FWIW, this was also done with some Gibson USA models. Even more deceptive there to me. I do take exception to what you said, I don't believe any of them came with CS serial numbers. and the COAs did not say Custom or Custom Shop. CS still means true Custom Shop. I should also be noted that even though those Memphis models were not true Custom Shop, Memphis generally made really great guitars. Though made in the same plant in the same lines, those "Custom Shop" models, the Reissues, and the higher end models like Lucilles were really outstanding. So even though they are not true Custom Shop models, they really shouldn't be dismissed as pedestrian models.
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